fixes for bakers

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federick:

option 2 has been changed

Yea i know

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mctsts: though option 2 still doesn't solve 3p+ Baker situations

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mctsts: Right now both Option 1 and Option 2 only work for 2p Bakers and nothing else

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federick: Whats the 3p situation

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federick: I think the fix works for 3 bakers too

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mctsts: 2p public claim, the third stays hidden

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mctsts: Option 2 has no risk for the 1st and 2nd Baker dying

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federick: Isnt it every baker death?

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mctsts: As I said Option 2 got changed

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federick: Oh i missed the "last"

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mctsts: The variant with it happening on every death had worse consequences per Baker than Option 1

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federick: I think it can work for every baker death

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mctsts: It really can't

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federick: Maybe it confirms a baker died publically?

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mctsts: A consequence on every Baker death would probably be the optimal solution, but we'd need one that's not as insanely bad as a "RB everyone" (Also that is not to mention that could mass confirmt town via phantom strat)

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federick: So wolves also would want to refrain from confirming them or smth

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federick: I guess kinda like huntress

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mctsts: Bakers are generally already confirmed by lack of ctc

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mctsts: Which is the entire issue of bakers

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nottinghamshire: Sorry but just for clarity do we want bakers to be a role that should be afraid of claiming

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mctsts: yes

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nottinghamshire: Ok cool

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mctsts: The exact goal is to eliminate roles that can trivially public claim and be confirmed

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e_thsn: Bakers should either be really easy for town to ctc or not easily publicly claim

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mctsts: Bakers can public claim in a group and wolves will generally not ctc, making them confirmed

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mctsts: Wolves wont ctc groups unless the games are very big

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mctsts: So pretty much any group that public claims will be confirmed

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mctsts: Butchers have a builtin traitor

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mctsts: Cult and Jury really dont want to claim

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mctsts: But Bakers just claim and then are confirmed

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nottinghamshire: Maybe if bakers die morale goes down because town doesn’t have cake so each wolf power can be used twice in one night or two night kills/main solo ability?

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mctsts: Thats an interesting way to approach it

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mctsts: Maybe if the wolves "eat" a Baker, that gives them an advantage

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mctsts: cause the Baker has lots of bread and cake

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nottinghamshire: Yes because bakers are tasty

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mctsts: so they ate that too

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mctsts: and that

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mctsts: I find it a compelling reasoning from a thematic standpoint

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mctsts: I think all wolf powers seems a bit much

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nottinghamshire: Yeah defo

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mctsts: So maybe whichever wolf eats the Baker gets the advantage (double power use?)

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nottinghamshire: I was thinking from a pov in last game that had two wolf powers

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nottinghamshire:

So maybe whichever wolf eats the Baker gets the advantage (double power use?)

Yeah that’s a reasonable change

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mctsts:

So maybe whichever wolf eats the Baker gets the advantage (double power use?)

But is this viable? Do enough wolves have powers where this actually helps?

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nottinghamshire: Tanner would be really helpful

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e_thsn: It also means wm can't attack a baker for it to work

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mctsts: Corrupt, Direwolf, Lone Wolf and Greater Coyote are also significant

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e_thsn: PW and TrW

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nottinghamshire: Oh coyote? Is that a proper role now

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mctsts: oh right invest category exists