When an exorcist exorcises the Devil, the Devil isn't part of its own win condition anymore.

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mctsts: Because the win condition is "dead, unaligned or soulless", of course the devil starts out soulless, but it wouldn't be anymore now (same for all the other hell members).

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mctsts: The same issue occurs with <#1127668127719751811> as the win condition there was based on hell

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e_thsn: the hell one never really comes up because we don't mix hell and exo

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shapechange: but the nightmare one might

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shapechange:

Because the win condition is "dead, unaligned or soulless", of course the devil starts out soulless, but it wouldn't be anymore now (same for all the other hell members).

so technically soulless isn't a problem since exo can't remove it

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mctsts: oh right

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mctsts: we accidentally fixed it

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shapechange: but we need to resolve sleepless if you think it'll be a problem

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e_thsn: oh right we changed it cause soulless + exo was an issue

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mctsts:

but we need to resolve sleepless if you think it'll be a problem

i just updated the win condition to include nightmare-aligned

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e_thsn: it still adds the issue that D0 and D1 (probably) anyone who is exorcised as sleepless is nightmare team

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shapechange: skill issue

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e_thsn: when exo becomes a TI

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mctsts: bat and hell had the same thing

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e_thsn: like a bat out of hell

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mctsts: exorcist is supposed to be the underworld counter anyway

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e_thsn: so is DV

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mctsts: yep

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e_thsn: exo is a good pyro counter too

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shapechange: you know that might be why hell is the only consistently good solo team now i think of it

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e_thsn: because it's counter is using your brain and not being greedy

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e_thsn: ?

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shapechange: www - basically countered by pack flutes - countered by themselves and their inevitable reveal pyro - countered by exo and prot roles vamps - countered by exo and dv/aw zombie - countered by not being real devil - no mechanical counter

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shapechange: devil's counter is basically how well other teams play

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shapechange: which isn't mechanical

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e_thsn: honse

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e_thsn: what is their counter

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shapechange: shittiness

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mctsts: Excuse me?

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shapechange: i love horsemen

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shapechange: but we never updated them with the latest fix iirc

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mctsts: we did

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mctsts: it was in v16

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shapechange: why tf haven't we tested them yet

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e_thsn: ;horseman of famine

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e_thsn:

why tf haven't we tested them yet

too busy using other solos

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mctsts: its been 3 games since then and we don't spam limited roles

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shapechange: fine I'll sort out honse testing

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shapechange: i wanted to host a game anyway after my vac

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shapechange: neigh

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mctsts: also horseman have been grandfathered

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e_thsn: 4 games if you include VIP 2 of which were partial 2 of which used other teams limited roles

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mctsts: though I'd rather have horseman than cerberus

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e_thsn: aren't grandfathered roles safe?

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e_thsn: imo FPC was the only good one of the 3 new roles Cerb gets shafted Firebug becomes a second powderer and hasn't yet had a successful warding FPC has consistancy in the disguise and information it provides

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mctsts:

aren't grandfathered roles safe?

yes

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mctsts:

imo FPC was the only good one of the 3 new roles Cerb gets shafted Firebug becomes a second powderer and hasn't yet had a successful warding FPC has consistancy in the disguise and information it provides

I'm not a fan of any of them

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shapechange: grandfathered roles are safe because ts loves nepotism

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mctsts: currently my main reason for have and is because of their names/icons/alignment

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mctsts: which is not a very good reason

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shapechange: rake isn't awful