New TK suggestion

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e_thsn: I guess it doesn't matter as much as PB because it doesn't spread

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e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> we should also do ability types when making new roles so we don't have to think about it like we did with <#1125828281900470332>

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e_thsn: So what are this ones?

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mctsts: Infliction, Curing, Killing?

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mctsts: requires update to definition of infliction

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e_thsn: Yeah

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captainluffy: Is this role good enough to vote on?

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mctsts: I have no further points of discussion to add before voting

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mctsts: Actually one thing: We can consider taking out scaling

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mctsts: Usually for town that's fine and simplifies the role

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mctsts: But we can also keep it

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mctsts: It's not like the role is too complicated

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captainluffy: Oh btw, should specify

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captainluffy: Is the target notified of the poison

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mctsts: no

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captainluffy: And is the poisoning immediate or end night

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captainluffy: Those details should be appended to the desc

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mctsts: yea

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e_thsn: <@&1045732542399131769> Apothercary, a delayed killing role for town

Version 1 (Scaling):

__Basics__
The Apothecary may poison a player at night, this will result in them being killed at the end of the next night.
The Apothecary may also use their antidote to cure the poison.

__Details__
The Apothecary starts the game with some flasks of poison, they have one flask per 5 players (Rounded).
Each night they may use a flask to poison one player, that player will then be killed the next night.
The Apothecary may also once use their antidote to cure a player of the poison saving them from death.
If the Apothecary is killed all of their active poison effects are dispelled.
Poisoning and using the antidote are immediate abilities

Version 2 (Fixed amount):

__Basics__
The Apothecary may poison a player at night, this will result in them being killed at the end of the next night.
The Apothecary may also use their antidote to cure the poison.

__Details__
The Apothecary starts the game with some flasks of poison, they have three flasks.
Each night they may use a flask to poison one player, that player will then be killed the next night.
The Apothecary may also once use their antidote to cure a player of the poison saving them from death.
If the Apothecary is killed all of their active poison effects are dispelled.
Poisoning and using the antidote are immediate abilities

Advantages:

• New interesting mechanics in a town killing role (Delayed kills, non attacks, self save from killing the wrong player)
• A TK role that can ignore defences could be good for balance reasons (Need less TK in games with high amounts of defence roles)
• A TK wolves can possibly save themselves from if they learn a wolf is poisoned and know apothecary

Disadvantages:

• Town might need to be weaker as it is a strong role
• Fixed amount version might not fit in smaller games

1️⃣ Version 1 with scaling amounts of poison 2️⃣ Version 2 with fixed amounts of poison Neither version

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e_thsn: <@&1128435183113220106> too ^

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shapechange: proposed discussion idea: the apoth has a certain amount of flasks, which can be used as either poison or antidote (ie if you give a first flask to a player, they're poisoned: a second, they're cured). i haven't thought this through so don't know if it would be good but it seems interesting at minimum

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shapechange: (i also think that no scaling is better but am not super fussed either way)

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e_thsn: I just like the scaling for scaling downward (making it not OP in smaller games)

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e_thsn:

proposed discussion idea: the apoth has a certain amount of flasks, which can be used as either poison or antidote (ie if you give a first flask to a player, they're poisoned: a second, they're cured). i haven't thought this through so don't know if it would be good but it seems interesting at minimum

Ok that idea is good, makes it more risky to use an antidote

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venomousbirds: isnt apothecary the name of the business and not the person that is part of the business?

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shapechange: it's both

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venomousbirds: could be confusing

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venomousbirds: why did we stray from alchemist

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venomousbirds: i havent been keeping up with this stuff

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shapechange:

I just like the scaling for scaling downward (making it not OP in smaller games)

i think the problem with scaling upward is that it makes it harder to combine with other TKs/roles that can kill for town in larger games

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venomousbirds: a fixed amount is definitely better

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e_thsn: we could always make it 2 fixed amounts I guess, especially if we use Jay's idea below 15 players it has 3 flasks above 15 players 5 flasks

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e_thsn:

why did we stray from alchemist

there's a role suggestion with that name iirc

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venomousbirds: i dont keep up with this

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venomousbirds: i think apothecary is really confusing

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venomousbirds: is it commonly used referring to a person in english?

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shapechange: yes

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venomousbirds: i see

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shapechange: more commonly than referring to a business, i would say

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venomousbirds: wait so what do you call the business

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e_thsn: chemists/pharmacy

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venomousbirds: would pharmacist work better as a role name?

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venomousbirds: i cant wrap my head around using apothecary as a person

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shapechange:

wait so what do you call the business

an apothecary's or apothecarium traditionally

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shapechange: the words have sort of fused nowadays because they're more archaic

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shapechange:

chemists/pharmacy

well no not really, a pharmacy/pharmacist is the modern evolution of an apothecary('s)

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e_thsn: ah I just looked at synonyms and it said chemists/pharmacy

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shapechange: this is why we don't just look at synonyms ethan

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shapechange:

would pharmacist work better as a role name?

feels very very modern to me

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venomousbirds: yeah, that makes sense