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Role Reclassifications #1190

Closed CrowdfordBot closed 5 months ago

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: Should really be invest.

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

phantomtomic: Sure

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: i think we need a formal definition for each role category

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: we do

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: as in

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: we do have one

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: oh XD

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: where is it

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: i dont think its written down anywhere anymore but the definitions are super basic

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: the basic categories:

kill: actively chooses to attack/kill someone invest: actively chooses to check someone power: actively chooses to use an ability (that is neither an attack/kill or a check) group: is part of a group [townsfolk only] misc: has a passive ability, or no ability

kill explicitly trumps group. by current assignments i think group actually trumps invest (and thus power, because invest and kill obviously trump power), and obviously everything trumps misc

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Though herald is an exception

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: no it's not

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: herald is the innkeeper of huntresses

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: I wouldn't call it an active ability

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: it is

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Not any more than coroner

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: if you accept that huntress is an active ability, then herald is too

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: I don't really think huntress is active

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange:

Not any more than coroner

coroner can't choose whether it receives info or not

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: I just thought killing takes priority over everything

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: basically, if you think huntress isn't active, you should want it reclassified as misc (and herald too)

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: if you think it's active, you should want ranger reclassified as invest

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: and i believe assistant reclassified as power?

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: I don't consider huntress as active, I just thought the definition of killing roles was different

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: well, now you know the proper definition, do you want huntress reclassified?

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: targeting is pretty explicitly an active ability, though

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: i'm not sure how you could consider it passive

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: though by the herald logic, journo should probably also be considered power

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: When we first wrote it we thought on its own it was a misc ability

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Targetting that is

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: But the power that comes with it can be something else

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange:

When we first wrote it we thought on its own it was a misc ability

don't say "misc", say "passive"

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Yeah, passive

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: I mean we can't really say targeting by itself is a power classification. Because so many targeting roles are misc

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: luffy PLEASE

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: that is LITERALLY WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange:

But the power that comes with it can be something else

anyway this means that what you're saying doesn't change anything? by this logic, ranger and herald and assistant and journo are all roles with an active ability attached

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: If we consider targeting to be an active ability, then yes they wouldn't really be misc

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: there are three options for you here:

  1. targeting in itself is an active ability: none of HHRJA should be misc

  2. targeting is not an active ability, but the ability used on the target is an active ability: none of HHRJA should be misc

  3. targeting is not an active ability, and an ability that activates because of targeting is not an active ability: all of HHRJA should be misc

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: which one are you trying to endorse here?

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Well I thought it wasn't active, and that the definition for killing roles was that any capability to kill whatsoever made you a killing role (exe and huntress)

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: luffy

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: PLEASE

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: we have already established that you thought that, and that you thought incorrectly

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: PLEASE

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: PLEASE

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Then I think we should have it written down somewhere

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: that's true but not the issue we are discussing!!

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: please answer the question!!

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

shapechange: PLEASE

CrowdfordBot commented 6 months ago

captainluffy: Then I guess I think we should change the definition of killing roles