Baroness Discussion OS10C

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shapechange: Only, of course, that Medium should be excluded from its roles.

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venomousbirds: medium is fine i think

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venomousbirds: ;baroness roles

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venomousbirds: add coroner!

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shapechange: Coroner is probably a good decision

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shapechange: But Ts and I both noticed problems with Medium+Baroness

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venomousbirds: i was initially confused why coroner wasnt in there

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venomousbirds: medium seemed weirder to me

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venomousbirds: and im still confused why coroner isnt in there

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mctsts:

Only, of course, that Medium should be excluded from its roles.

Agreed, definitely

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mctsts: Medium is an absolute disaster

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venomousbirds: i think medium should stay because its an info role

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venomousbirds: so instead of removing, we fix it

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shapechange: Of the two major concerns we had, one should be fixed by <#1166053088881295521>, but the other is that phrasing of questions can give Baroness a real read into who Medium is - plus, Medium often uses 'shorthand info' in the questions which can't be interpreted by the Baroness.

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venomousbirds: which is fine and a strategy in that case

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venomousbirds: keep the questions vague when theres baroness ingame

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shapechange: Baroness shouldn't be able to garner info like that, it's not the point of the role

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venomousbirds: i think its fine

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venomousbirds: theres rules to the medium questions

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shapechange: i disagree

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wwhythough: i agree

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mctsts: One other thing is also that medium is just so different in terms of when it happens

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mctsts: though baroness could receive the medium poll question and result EoD even if the question "action" happened before baroness even selected medium

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venomousbirds: i see that as a bigger problem than the question thing

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venomousbirds: baroness is day-night actions

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venomousbirds: medium is night-day

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venomousbirds: so that doesnt work at all

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venomousbirds: yeah remove medium

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venomousbirds: as the proper would would then give the answer from the previous question and then the question of the next day

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shapechange:

as the proper would would then give the answer from the previous question and then the question of the next day

the baroness gets info from the two phases (night - day) AFTER it chooses a role. it's debatable how this interacts with current medium since the exact timings of its actions aren't actually specified (could be either interpretation), but the changes in <#1166053088881295521> would make sure baroness received concurrent info

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venomousbirds: nah remove medium

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venomousbirds: theres no reason in it

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shapechange: i mean i also agree with remove medium

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venomousbirds: medium and baroness are on different schedules

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shapechange: just adding extra relevant info

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e_thsn: idk why we removed coroner but we decided against it when we made coroner TM

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venomousbirds: • Remove medium from baroness

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venomousbirds: https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/1275

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mctsts: merged