Rephrase Recluse

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e_thsn: I remember us discussing RW x Recluse

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shapechange: the real reason it's like this, imo, is that recluse was conceptualised (and i believe formalised?) before the creation of the term "wolfish players"

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shapechange: having an exception for one single role makes zero sense

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mctsts: A more significant edge case is protecting WWW

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shapechange: recluse also doesn't specify whether it's affected by disguises or not - we usually do specify this even for roles where it definitely wouldn't be according to mechanics, for player comprehension purposes

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mctsts: yep

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mctsts: my mentioned issue could be fixed by having it be affected by strong disguises

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shapechange: i was thinking that too

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e_thsn: how would that work with sneaking wolf?

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shapechange: presumably the disguise would only affect what role the recluse sees as visiting them, not whether player name is announced, since that's how disguises work

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shapechange: so it would come up as "You have been protected by <@333962410102751232> (Citizen)"

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venomousbirds: seems unanimous?

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mctsts: yea

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mctsts:

• have it be affected by SD
• have it trigger for wolfish players

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captainluffy: im not sure which ability u want to be affected by SD

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captainluffy: or both

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mctsts: what role ot sees

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mctsts: for when a wolfish player uses an abilit onnit

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mctsts: its necessary for www

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mctsts: otherwise recluse ssees www

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captainluffy: well ok, so what power does it see used for a psychopath disguised as something else

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mctsts: it doesnt see psychos role

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mctsts: it onls see wolf doles

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mctsts: or doesni4

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mctsts: no im wrong

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captainluffy: it sees player from wolves

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captainluffy: but roles from all

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mctsts: yea ok

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mctsts: then we have to decide if we want to keep thr awkawr wording or not

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mctsts: if we keep it www is protected

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captainluffy: this makes it so complicated

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mctsts: otherkwise we have to add the disguise thing

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captainluffy: i dont know how to phrase this

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captainluffy: or the specifications that we want

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mctsts: idk if we want a change

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venomousbirds: i think its fine to change this

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venomousbirds: its not much of a change i think

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mctsts: making it affected by strong disguises is pretty significant actually

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captainluffy: Then we have to say the power used on it was some random power of the disguised role

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captainluffy: Or something like that

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mctsts: no we wouldnt do that

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mctsts: if a disguised pyro powders reckuse it would just be mCitizen powdered you

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mctsts: thats fine

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shapechange:

if we keep it www is protected

it's not actually, it's part of the wolfpack

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shapechange: we could change it to just werewolf players

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shapechange: i think it being affected by strong disguises is extremely funny and we should do it but the easier fix is just to specify "werewolf team members"

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mctsts:

it's not actually, it's part of the wolfpack

huh then idk why that ever was an arrgument

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e_thsn: So apparently not only did we just somehow miss recluse in the list of roles impacted by wolfish, we did actually use the term when we added the attack immunity which is why it looks intentional <:pffffft:705639986384601110>

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e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> what if recluse learns the role/group the ability originates from

E.g instead of White werewolf (Ts) attacked you It would be Wolfpack (Ts) attacked you

And since www mimics a role it isn't an ability that originates from www but another role

E.g White werewolf (Ts) Disguised you => Pack Tanner (Ts) Disguised you

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shapechange: i mean i still dont get why we need this i have provided a far simpler and way better alternative