New Cerberus

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e_thsn: I suggested on a version of cerberus that doesn't offer and instead takes the soul

We came to the conclusion that hell roles with offers/bargains are weak due to people being unwilling to sell their soul as it makes Hell more powerful

My suggestion is Since cerberus is a dog it can guard you at night and if you are attacked it takes your soul in exchange you survive the attack and the attacker is instead attacked by cerberus It also has a weak disguise and turns into demon is there are no hell roles left like the old version

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phantomtomic: Does cerb get to use that… every night?

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e_thsn:

Does cerb get to use that… every night?

yeah but if you know it's in game or suspect it's in game you can just not attack the most obvious target, also it comes with not being able to protect soulless players obviously

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mctsts: yeah honestly this is a much improved version of cerb

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mctsts: and sort of does the same thing

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mctsts: but like in a good way

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mctsts: this cerberus should just be a soul user honestly

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mctsts: and probably hell team shouldnt gain a soul from this

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e_thsn:

and probably hell team shouldnt gain a soul from this

just make them soulless?

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e_thsn: actually that makes sense

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e_thsn: you lose your soul and cerb uses it to attack your attacker

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mctsts: yeah something like that

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mctsts: and it keeps the power more balanced

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phantomtomic: Is this too powerful though? It's an improved version of cerberus, yes, but it's also cerberus but better, I don't see any downgrades from old cerberus and the buffs are incredibly powerful (attacking the attacker can be super powerful, and forcibly gaining a soul is also super powerful)

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mctsts: thats why I say it shouldnt be able to gain a soul

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phantomtomic: Oh

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phantomtomic: hm what if devil wants to wager them later and use their soul

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phantomtomic: or would the soulless making just be a negative side effect that needs to be taken

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mctsts:

hm what if devil wants to wager them later and use their soul

cant - theyre soulless

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phantomtomic: yeah that's why I'm asking

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mctsts: the cerberus takes their soul and uses it to attack the attacker

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phantomtomic: oh

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phantomtomic: I see

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phantomtomic: yeah that makes sense

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phantomtomic: it works better that way

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mctsts: still good for hell because its one more soulless player

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mctsts: but not like amazing

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e_thsn: And hell win when everyone alive is soulless

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e_thsn: so protection of someone is good

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mctsts: the advantage for hell is that 1 player will likely be dead (the attacker) same as if the attack had normally occured, but additionally another player is soulless

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e_thsn: I can write a Description

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captainluffy: but how could anyone kill anyone obvious while this is in play

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mctsts: that's the point <:gibagul:841358597983961128>

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mctsts: and was the point of old cerberus

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e_thsn: Cerberus | Solo Killing - Hell Team | Limited Basics Each night the Cerberus may guard a player, if attacked they will be protected in exchange for their soul, will be used to attack their attacker. The Cerberus wins with the devil. It joins a channel with the devil to communicate securely. The Cerberus can use the hell team's soul pool. Details Each night the Cerberus can select a player to guard, they may not select soulless players. If attacked the Cerberus will protect their target and in exchange take their soul, making them soulless, if the player has no soul they will no longer be protected. However, the soul does not add to hell's collective soul pool, and instead the Cerberus uses it to attack the player who attacked their target.

During the first phase, the Cerberus may choose a role as a weak disguise. This defaults to citizen.

At the start of the game, the Cerberus' soul is added to the hell team's soul pool. The Cerberus then becomes soulless. The Cerberus may use souls from the pool to protect or attack a player. If the Cerberus is attacked while a soul is in the pool, a soul will automatically be used to protect the Cerberus. See $info souls for a detailed explanation.

Members of the Hell team cannot betray the team in any way. Any attempts at conversion or recruitment of a member will fail in some manner.

Simplified Each night the Cerberus may guard a player, if attacked they will be protected in exchange for their soul, will be used to attack their attacker. The Cerberus wins with the devil and joins a channel with the devil. The Cerberus can use the hell team's pool of souls.

Members of the Hell team cannot betray the team in any way. Any attempts at conversion of a member will fail in some manner.

Formalized Inherit: Souls Immediate Day: Weakly Disguise @Self as @Selection [Temporal: Day 0] {Forced: Citizen} Immediate Night: [Attribute: @Selection lacks Soulless] • Protect @Selection from Attacks through Active Defense (~Phase) • Target @Selection (~Phase) On @Target Visited [Attack, Attribute: @Target lacks Soulless]: • Apply Soulless to @Target (~Persistent) {Visitless} • Attack @Attacker • Remove Defense:Cerberus from @Target • Untarget

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e_thsn: <@234474456624529410> does that formalization work?

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e_thsn: actually how do I add a condition on if they're not soulless to On @Target Visited [Attack]:

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captainluffy: i dont think it shuld have souls because it should be killable by roles that want to kill it

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e_thsn:

i dont think it shuld have souls because it should be killable by roles that want to kill it

Ts suggested it have soul pool access

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e_thsn: otherwise we have the weird demon transformation

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captainluffy: yeah but he probably didnt consider the consequences of the passive defence

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captainluffy: on a role that gives other roles defence

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e_thsn: I mean yeah but it also doesn't gather souls anymore

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captainluffy: imo you can just copy firebug but switch the ignition for attack

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e_thsn: hmmm

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e_thsn: true but fiebug is different in that it does something if they're not attacked

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e_thsn: which needs the warded attribute

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captainluffy: well yes but thats a different section

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e_thsn: oh

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captainluffy: so it makes someone some soulless without stealing a soul?