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Rivals Discussion Thread #1335

Open CrowdfordBot opened 3 months ago

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: Too strong imo, the knowing it was disguised makes them basically know "this isn't their real role" and if it's a town role they know there's a high chance their target is evil

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: my suggestion, make it only abilities that use investigate in formalization, after we fix it all

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: i honestly wonder if rivals are useful roles

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: why not just have them turn into psychopaths with each other on their lists

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: makes them a lot less side-y

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: <@242983689921888256>

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: <@839150186613702749> <@687997084527493137> you were both rival

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: how would you phrase that in a neat and comprehensible way without referring to formalisation, a concept the vast majority of players will likely never bother looking into (for good reason)

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: Investigation abilities

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: though I do think that might sound too broad

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: i would unfortunately not call that comprehensible

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: it is too broad

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: and would require players to have a solid knowledge of ability type differentiation

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: i wonder if we could just limit it to TIs

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: ;baroness roles

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: the only reason I'd want this is tanner and juror

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: juror i could see being a good exception

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: tanner i already dislike as an exception

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: yeah I guess tanner is already wolf so it's very unuseful

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: this sentence contains no false information at all

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: Wait

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: "tanner is already pack"

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: I was reading tanner baroness roles description as I was typing

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: what if we make baronessroles a GM information thing that lists how each investigative role gives info to baroness

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: then make it TI and WI

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: nobody would ever use baroness bc that would suck for hosting

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn:

nobody would ever use baroness bc that would suck for hosting

more of a thing you can check if not sure

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts:

what if we make baronessroles a GM information thing that lists how each investigative role gives info to baroness

No edge case lists

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: i mean last game and this game hosts already repeatedly failed to check the role descriptions of roles they were using (which shouldn't be a thing, obviously, but it illustrates an important point)

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: edge case lists are not good

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: True

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

phantomtomic:

why not just have them turn into psychopaths with each other on their lists

That sounds okay

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: oh jay while promoted can you remove dead host

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: yay ty

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

sawauh: hello hi sorry

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

sawauh: uhhh

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

sawauh: <:thinking:1125386874844893315>

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

sawauh: im not really sure

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

sawauh: i like the idea of baroness, and personally i just dont think detective is that great but outside of detective/baroness shenanigans i think its great

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> how could we word it so town investigative and wolf investigative includes juror

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: uh

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts:

why not just have them turn into psychopaths with each other on their lists

bc people dont wanna be psychopath

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: but I think Rivals are strong enough without the additional power on their invest

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: so I would suggest we remove that

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: yes

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: Rivals are more townsided than pp I think

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: Like they might help wolves late game, but early game they're likely to go with town

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: And provide useful info

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: yea

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: I don't think there's incentive for a rival to claim to wolves

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: Wolves can remove two invest roles by killing the claiming one