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FA equivalent for TK #1373

Closed CrowdfordBot closed 3 months ago

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: My current proposed name is "Vigilante" (someone who takes justice into their own hands). Basically the tk equivalent to the fortune apprentice. I have the feeling town can suffer greatly if their tk role is killed (especially if it happens early). And I can imagine role lists are more difficult to balance around multiple tk roles (in case one dies). This role makes the game a little harder for wolves, but also adds another potential claimspace.

The new proposed role would be tm and would change their role to the most recently died tk role (once the tk player dies).

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: (I hope this hasn't been suggested yet. I had a look, but I couldn't find anything.)

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: vigilante was an old role but its deleted. wasnt suggested before afaik

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: Hmm maybe the role needs a new name then unless reusing role names is fine.

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: Smith maybe?

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: Or better weaponsmith

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: One problem I realized is mad scientist and cult leader

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

alphaviki: Also huntress could get a bid out of hand I realise. It sounds like a good idea with some tk roles but really not with others.

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts:

Hmm maybe the role needs a new name then unless reusing role names is fine.

it needs a new name because this name is uniquely hated

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: Roles we want this to work for: Assassin, Priest, Apothecary

Idk: Barber, Executioner, Huntress, Witch

Roles we dont want this to work for: Cult Leader, Mad Scientist, Amulet Crafter

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn: Maybe we make the role become the first TK that dies that still has the ability to kill Then exclude role with an extra channel

Possible names would be formatted Apprentice or Apprentice

Possibly like Apprentice Assassin Killer Apprentice

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: While I understand why you would want to do it that way I think this is a rare case where it's nicer to list out the roles we want it to work for

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: Since that's just Assassin and Priest

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: possibly others

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: I suppose you would be including Barber/Executioner/Huntress and Witch as well

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn:

I suppose you would be including Barber/Executioner/Huntress and Witch as well

Yeah like witch if they have a PoL or PoD left

Basically like how LA copies all data at the point of role changing,

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: Because copying is famously a good mechanic

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

captainluffy: yeah probably cant make it category based. just give it a list of like 2 or 3 roles

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: I would say it's probably best to just be for Assassin and Priest

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

e_thsn:

I would say it's probably best to just be for Assassin and Priest

what about apothecary

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: Not a full role so it couldn't be included in such a list for now

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange:

I would say it's probably best to just be for Assassin and Priest

at that point it's just weird imo

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: honestly i don't like the idea

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: the problem with promotion roles is that they can easily end up punishing wolves for good plays and messing up the balance

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: FA isn't a super frequently used role and can often end up copying a weaker TI and/or only promoting after town have got most of the information they need or are at a point where more information won't give them an advantage, so the impact isn't too disproportionate

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: but i think a TKA would have a way greater effect, because kills for town only get more useful, rather than less (like info usually does)

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: and considering we're really trying to protect from the very specific scenario of ass/priest dying to a random roll N1 - we already have a nice, neat solution that doesn't disrupt balance for those situations, and that's using amnesiacs

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: Very good and very true point

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

shapechange: thank you ts i always appreciate your support

CrowdfordBot commented 3 months ago

mctsts: I will close this now!