New UA suggestion - Gambler

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e_thsn: Each night the gambler must guess who they think will die that night, upon guessing everyone correctly the gambler will receive an investigation the following day. The gambler ascends and wins upon three successful guesses.

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mctsts: i think an UA either needs to be really fun (this does not seem to be) or actually have some relevant impact on the game besides just existing

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mctsts: this role would not have any impact

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mctsts: so its only merit is that it is really good

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mctsts: it is not

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pokemoncross: you need to be killed by wolf

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sarvak2: Cause it's gotta be truly unaligned. Got to have equal reason to side with both sides and has to be able to exist independently

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sarvak2: Has to have impact but can't be all encompassing

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sarvak2: It's a difficult design space

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mctsts: roles like angel serve purpose beyond the UA player themselves

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mctsts: they affect town and wolves lynching behaivor, make exe less confirmable, etc

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pokemoncross: harm everyone

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e_thsn: What about PP

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im_dumm0: Gambler = unaligned psychic wolf

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e_thsn:

Gambler = unaligned psychic wolf

No?

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mctsts: psychopath?

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e_thsn:

psychopath?

Yeah it doesn't have much impact

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captainluffy: remember swindler, bear, golem, or unemployed chef

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e_thsn: It just coasts right

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mctsts: psychopath is historic

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mctsts: im not a fan

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mctsts: its impact is intended to be to cause more misinformation and such, but I dont think it is effective in this

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mctsts: maybe to some slight degree, but not a lot

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sarvak2: I mean it's impact is that it needs to nudge players to kill but stall the game long enough to get people on its list that aren't on the team it sides with cause you can't ask wolves to kill other wolves or town to waste precious TK on other town

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sarvak2: It's more of a social role than a power role

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e_thsn: I like including PP cause it's not going to impact much so it's good in a lot of lists, but it's not fun to play I assume

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mctsts:

I mean it's impact is that it needs to nudge players to kill but stall the game long enough to get people on its list that aren't on the team it sides with cause you can't ask wolves to kill other wolves or town to waste precious TK on other town

yes, but its not super effective in this

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mctsts: depending on the game it might sometimes achieve such things

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mctsts: but its not as effective as angel can be

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sarvak2: I'm curious on the stats of different UA role accessions

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mctsts: we should create that sometime

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e_thsn: Most of the time it waits til one team is winning then just says eh I need x of your team dead, kill them before you win please and I'll vote with you

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sarvak2: It'd be interesting to see the win stats of the less impactful UA Vs the most fun ones Vs the boring but impactful roles

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mctsts: you know what ill build a UA winning statistic thing

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sarvak2: I personally prefer pack cause I find the coordination extremely engaging

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sarvak2: Building fake claims and corroborating stories without leading town to connect you all as wolves is the most fun I have in the game, personally

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steinator: I have a stupid idea. The Lawyer Similar to chef in that he has 3 people (imo they dont have to all be from opposing teams). He has to make sure none of those 3 targets ever get lynched to win. (This implies something like a tk is needed or so)

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sarvak2: So UA is just inherently uninteresting to me

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sarvak2: So I'd be curious what people who do enjoy the role have to say about what aspects make it enjoyable

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im_dumm0:

I have a stupid idea. The Lawyer Similar to chef in that he has 3 people (imo they dont have to all be from opposing teams). He has to make sure none of those 3 targets ever get lynched to win. (This implies something like a tk is needed or so)

that would be prosecutor cus Lawyer defends his defendent

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mctsts: I have changed my mind, dont wanna build a statistic

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pokemoncross: hmmmmmmmmm...

GAMBLER would the targeted lose their vote ?

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pokemoncross: if guessed correctly

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sarvak2:

I have changed my mind, dont wanna build a statistic

Any particular reason? Or just too much work?

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pokemoncross: and confirmed

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steinator:

that would be prosecutor cus Lawyer defends his defendent

The lawyer doesnt want his 3 defendants to get lynched?

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mctsts:

I have a stupid idea. The Lawyer Similar to chef in that he has 3 people (imo they dont have to all be from opposing teams). He has to make sure none of those 3 targets ever get lynched to win. (This implies something like a tk is needed or so)

Difficult to achieve, cant do much to achieve this

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mctsts:

Any particular reason? Or just too much work?

too much work

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thekremblin:

So I'd be curious what people who do enjoy the role have to say about what aspects make it enjoyable

i think the main thing is not being forced to side with a team who may still lose due to luck or incompetence even if you yourself play well

like, yes, UA lose due to luck all the time, but there is SOME level of control you feel when you play it

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sarvak2: Fair

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pokemoncross:

The lawyer doesnt want his 3 defendants to get lynched?

keep them alive to win...

this must be a solo