Unlimit Juror

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shapechange: been used a few times now. really needs to be at least a trio so better suited to larger games, but it's a nice balanced role and i see no reason to unlimit it

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e_thsn: What if Juror counted as a TI for FA?

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e_thsn: Then it would be a bit easier to use it as a two

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shapechange: i dont love the idea

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shapechange: creating exceptions to rules (such as the whole baroness debacle) is annoying and messy

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e_thsn: I guess amne with Juror works for 2 but not if Juror dies right after amne role changes

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shapechange: i feel like the better option is just to be conscious that a 2p jury is a very weak jury

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captainluffy:

creating exceptions to rules (such as the whole baroness debacle) is annoying and messy

agreed

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shapechange: like imo baroness is/was a very cool role but all the exceptions made me never want to use it

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e_thsn: Right we were supposed to remove the special bits

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shapechange: it's very much a case where below a certain threshold of additional roles, there's so few that it feels like they should just be excluded from being baroness choices to simplify things, and then above the same threshold there's too many that it gets too complex and messy

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captainluffy: to be fair juror makes sense to be an exception there

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captainluffy: the others not as much

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shapechange: yeah juror makes sense

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shapechange: but if there's only one exception then there shouldn't be any exceptions

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captainluffy: yeah i agree

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shapechange: i wonder if "group" might have merit as an additional qualifier (like transformation) rather than a category in itself

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shapechange: but then that gets weird tbh

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mctsts:

but if there's only one exception then there shouldn't be any exceptions

I disagree

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shapechange: no you don't

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mctsts: it makes more sense to have a singular exception than to have a list of exceptions

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mctsts: thats the point of exceptions

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captainluffy: that makes sense i guess

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mctsts: it works like this except for A, B, C, D, E and F - its hardly still an exception if that makes up most of the role functionality

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mctsts: it works like this except for A - an acual exception

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captainluffy: ur right i should have used more critical thinking earlier

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mctsts: with roles like old ice queen, look-alike, old reaper and baroness the main role functionality is basically "does something that you will find the answer to in a look up table"

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mctsts: in this case the exception could simply be "The Baroness may also target the jury instead of a role." or something like this, nothing further required

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e_thsn:

it makes more sense to have a singular exception than to have a list of exceptions

or if it's a list make it a general list like www being non wg roles

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shapechange: okay anyway thats not relevant

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shapechange: unlimit juror or die

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e_thsn: <@&1045732542399131769> unlimit juror?

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e_thsn: I just tested this why

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shapechange: can i skip the necessity of a vote by threatening to kms if you guys dont pass it

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venomousbirds:

can i skip the necessity of a vote by threatening to kms if you guys dont pass it

no, die /j

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e_thsn: yay

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e_thsn: all_yn not yn_all

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shapechange: this is just like one direction fanfic

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shapechange: all y/n

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venomousbirds: y/n looks at the poll and confidently checks <:yes:590859662161739806>. Their big blue orbs look back at the paper. They've signed your adoption papers. They're now One Direction's property.

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mctsts: for me too. y/n is very execited as they open the github page, their blue orbs glancing at the web site. The poll results are in, and a majority has been reached!! The raven-haird role has been approved. y/n stoically clicks the "New pull request" button, though they may try to avoid this usually, today the time has come. With the hope to make an update to the repo as flawless as Harry's smile y/n begins their work and updates the file of the brown-eyed role. With one final breath, they submit, eyes scanning the screen as they whisper, while blushing, 'For you, my love. This one's for the directioners.'. Then, y/n released the breath they didn't know y/n was/were holding - the update was complete.

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kalimoor: Hiiiiii

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e_thsn: Looks like it passes