Pyro Team Addition

[McTsts]

@12Metatron:

I had a role idea for pyro when the wi is too strong or pyro too few, and you don't want to add more pyro.

Either disguised pyromancer or disguised wisp. They can choose a weak disguise like devil

@McTsts:

I understand the suggestion from a balance point and I think if we can't think of anything better we should do it, but I think it's also a bit lame and I'd rather think of something more unique

@12Metatron:

Yea, thats a vanilla version. If theres a more unique way to do it, would be better im sure Maybe it should announce the disguise to the wisp/pyros @McTsts any ideas?

[rupertandrosy]

meh. bland. just give wisp a disguise or something.

[McTsts]

I think a better buffed pyromancer would be something that involves powdering in some way, e.g. immune against attacks of powdered people, so I think we should still remove this and add another buffed pyro instead.

[venomousbirds]

idk man i dont read issues they're not as cool as PRs just link them if theyre duplicate 😔

[venomousbirds]

can't think of anything rn

[Shepherdwhen]

What about a role that makes powdered players appear as pyro 50% of the time

[Shepherdwhen]

Doesn't need to be exactly that but something like that

[rupertandrosy]

i think the similarity to the fp obstruction just makes that bland

[rupertandrosy]

a better pyro tertiary should have a different gimmick, rather than just the application of an obstruction

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: Anyone have any ideas?

[CrowdfordBot]

Ethan.: What about a member of the pyro channel that can powder or ignite one player immediate night, but if they fail to kill them the powder is burnt away and must be reaplied

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: I think wisp does a good job at being a non pyro channel member, so i would think it should be a role that's a member of the pyro channel. It should be able to do powdering of course, so I think it should be a pyromancer with 1 additional ability. So pyromancer would kind of be the equivalent of a vanilla wolf of the wolf pack. Ideas I've thought of are

1. learns who's powdered at the start of each night. This is so there's no overlap with wisp powders
2. Anyone who visits this role gets powdered.
3. Can choose a weak disguise to become
4. Causes an Ignite upon death
5. Learns alignment of the person it powders. (Or some investigation related ability for finding wisp easier)

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: I think an ability like 5 might be best (linked to powder)

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: Or a passive like 4

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: 3 is fine too but boring

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: 1 and 2 are a bit too much like plague carrier and bat

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: Those abilities could also be additions to versions of wisp, but they probably work better with pyromancer to start

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: Yeah I think another pyromancer is probably better

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: Though an investigation wisp could be nice, thinking about it. Like how warlock isn't part of pack

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: But is that particularly useful?

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Captain Luffy: Mostly for wisp finding pyro team, instead of the other way around

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: And maybe in this hypothetical role, pyro chat would learn the invest results. Like clairvoyant fox

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts:

Mostly for wisp finding pyro team, instead of the other way around

However Wisp doesnt want to powder pyros

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: so this doesnt really seem to work

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: good point

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Ethan.: I like 4

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Ethan.: especially if it can be caused by lynch

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: I think if it always triggers its a bit boring

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: then there's no strategy to it

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: I feel like there should be something to it to make people strategize how to work against it

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: could make it exclusively lynch or exclusively nk

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: I was thinking exclusively NK could be interesting

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: or maybe add in dk

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: yeah just kill

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: just not lynch

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: possibly something like: "When killed, the ... bursts into flame, igniting their attacker and all players they powdered" or something like that

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: killed in any way other than lynch. like how rangers desc phrases it

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Ts: yeah

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: If it ignites the attacker as well just the role existing is very useful for scum

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: because then their enemies really have to consider whether to attack

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: this can even apply when that role isn't even ingame

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: And I think this is extra good for Pyro because Pyro is a fairly huge threat so they generally are something you want to kill quickly. But with this you might prioritize attacking the person you suspect of being wolf instead (or for the wolves a weaker townie)

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: what would it be called? kamikaze pyromancer?

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Ts: absolutely not

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: x pyromancer (where x is some word)

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Ts: Pyromaniac would fit but its too similiar I think

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts:

x pyromancer (where x is some word)

I don't think we should do this, this naming scheme makes sense for the wolves where we have a ton of roles, but I doubt we're adding another 5 Pyromancers so it's probably best to give each a unique name

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: immolator? immolation means "to kill or destroy, especially by fire"

[CrowdfordBot]

Ethan.:

If it ignites the attacker as well just the role existing is very useful for scum

even if the attacker is not powdered?

[CrowdfordBot]

Ts: yea

[CrowdfordBot]

Captain Luffy: would it be lame if it was called arsonist lol