Swindler

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The8thSoul: Alignment/Category: Unaligned Miscellaneous Description: Each night, you can choose to rob a player of their ballot. They will be unable to vote in the election vote until the Burglar dies. If the Burglar has successfully taken at least 1/4 of all player's ballots, they ascend and win. All players who had their ballot stolen will permanently lose their right to elect a player. If the Burglar dies, they lose and all ballots are returned to their owners.

Not sure if this was a role that already exists/deleted.

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Ts: two things: 1) we've used this name before so a different one would be needed 2) this seems too easy to win with, I think 1/3 minimum

Overall I think a UAM like this one would be a good addition as it has the means to win built into the role (unlike many other UAMs that need to rely on cooperation of the other teams) and it also isn't a free win as other teams wouldn't want to lose their votes and thus would try to get rid of the Burglar

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The8thSoul:

two things: 1) we've used this name before so a different one would be needed 2) this seems too easy to win with, I think 1/3 minimum

Overall I think a UAM like this one would be a good addition as it has the means to win built into the role (unlike many other UAMs that need to rely on cooperation of the other teams) and it also isn't a free win as other teams wouldn't want to lose their votes and thus would try to get rid of the Burglar

Okay 👍

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The8thSoul: Maybe Fraudster?

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The8thSoul: idk

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The8thSoul: But yeah, I agree with the 1/3, I didn't know whether it should have been 1/3 or 1/4 earlier though, so I put 1/4

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The8thSoul: One more question: Should it be 1/3 of all players or 1/3 of all alive players?

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The8thSoul: Coz that would change the strategy of anyone playing as this role quite significantly

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Ts: oh I assumed alive players

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Ts: I think that's also better for strategy, since then the Fraudster would have to think about who may die (so that they dont steal from them)

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The8thSoul: 👍

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The8thSoul: I'll specify that to prevent confusion

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The8thSoul: Edited :)

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Ts: When the Fraudster ascends and wins, are the votes returned?

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The8thSoul:

When the Fraudster ascends and wins, are the votes returned?

No.

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The8thSoul: 'All players who had their ballot stolen will permanently lose their right to elect a player.'

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The8thSoul: We can change this though if needed

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Ts: I asked because ascending is sort of equivalent to dying

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Ts: and they are returned on death

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The8thSoul: Ah ok

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Ts: But I do think not returning them makes more sense

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The8thSoul: I changed it from 'If the Burglar dies' to 'If the Burglar dies before ascending'

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Ts: 👍

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Ethan.: Another thing is that election and lynch polls are the same vote

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Ts: didnt even notice it was specific to election

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Ts: i just assumed both

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Ethan.: Both is fine

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shapechange: i like this role a lot

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shapechange: im not sure if fraudster is a name i like but the role itself is good

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Ts: I dont think fraudster is a great name

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Ts: trickster <:pensivebread:800001047966908426>

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shapechange: maybe rigger?

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Ts: that doesnt seem like a real word to me

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Ts: apparently it is but this is the wrong meaning

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Ts: (the expected meaning is meaning #2)

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shapechange: rigger has many meanings, and it can refer to vote rigging

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shapechange: however it is also a bdsm term now i think of it so let's avoid it

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shapechange: there are lots of real life terms about this stuff but disenfranchisement and vote suppression don't lend their names very well

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Ts: how about Gary

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Ts: its short for gerrymandering

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Ts: and a great name

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shapechange: yes

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shapechange: let's call this role Gary

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Ethan.: politician

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shapechange: no we're calling it gary

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Ts: Postponed. Reopen after v15 is done.

[ThomasRubycrust]

This one pretty much just needs a name now

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shapechange: Vote Slut

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The8thSoul: Poll Collector

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The8thSoul: Ballot Thief

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The8thSoul: Election Corruptor