Revamp Flock

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Vera but actually a frog: Is anyone really interested in hosting a Flock game? we've barely used it (and not once in a season game) and it's just a mix of different solo roles. I never think about flock whenever i think of role lists. opinons?

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Ts: yea I dont think it's necessarily bad, but for everything it does, another solo team does it better

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Ts: so I'd always pick another solo team over it

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Vera but actually a frog: yea

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Vera but actually a frog: if you want the followers bit, choose fp

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Vera but actually a frog: it has a bit of everything but its also hard to balance around that

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Ts: if I want a team that applies an effect I'll go with FP, for tagging/herding I prefer Plague and for a "powerful" solo I'll go for Devil

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Ts: the effect part is more convoluted than FP, the transmitting the effect part is more convoluted than Plague and its defensive/offensive powers are weaker than Hell

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Vera but actually a frog: it's a bit of everything but in a bad way

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Ethan.: The issue is we only have fp that doesn't do killing

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Vera but actually a frog: you said you wanted to host but only got the chance in offseason

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Vera but actually a frog: so is that because you cant find a way to fit flock into a normal list?

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Ethan.: Whenever I host someone else wants pyro/hell/flute

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Vera but actually a frog: <:thinky:531557833657942017>

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Ethan.: I'm too passive to argue for a different solo

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Vera but actually a frog: im pretty sure you had plenty of chances tho

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Ts: Horseman 🙂

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Ethan.: Horseman still has to kill to win

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Ts: yea

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Ts: the issue with SP's is that they usually aren't very good

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Ethan.: Only FP and flock have no killing

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Ts: its a general problem with the effect appliers

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Ts: Ice Royal also was an effect applier and got removed

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Ts: FP isn't amazing, but it also uses the most basic way of effect application

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Ts: Anything else just is FP but more complex

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The8thSoul: Flock atm kinda feels like Flute with a few extra steps...

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Ts: Flock is a remix of Flute, Plague and Hell

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Ethan.: Flock was never a remix of plague origionally

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Ethan.: But then when it and plague got revamped they both became similar

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Ts: I think it started out less complex

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Ethan.: Huh maybe we could make it more unique actually

Removing whispers and making Herding unknown

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Suso: Autocorrect wants me to say "Glock team"

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Ethan.: Lol

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Vera but actually a frog:

Autocorrect wants me to say "Glock team"

sounds like a better time honestly

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Ts: oh btw Reaper doesn't kill (sort of)

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Ts: its SK but its win method is Power

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Ethan.: It still has the kill on visit

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Ts: yea

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Ethan.: Solo powers are nice because it makes games not end quickly cause 3 teams can kill

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Vera but actually a frog: we recategorized it for that specific reason

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Ethan.: Ig vampire

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Ethan.: But then everyone complains about vampire

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Ts: Devil, Vampire, Reaper & Horseman are all slow killers

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Ts: only Pyro and Plague have a significant amount of kills

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Ts: (though Plague usually tends to be defeated in time)

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The8thSoul:

Devil, Vampire, Reaper & Horseman are all slow killers

Isn't Vampire conversion?

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Ts: yea by not killing it doesnt kill a lot!

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Ts: idk why I put it on the list

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Ethan.: When I look at statistics we only really use 3 teams in on season games

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Ts: oh I meant Plague not Vampire

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The8thSoul:

When I look at statistics we only really use 3 teams in on season games

Hell, Flute and Plague?