Cupid Change?

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shapechange: I've brought this up before but Cupid essentially gives an advantage to Town and some solo teams if it joins them, but a disadvantage to Wolves (and I believe some other solo teams) if it matches with a Wolf (and really fucks the game over for the Lover). Whilst it being a townsided role isn't necessarily a problem, the bit where it's almost impossible to win as a Cupid-Wolf pair (as far as I know, might have been interaction changes since I last checked) could do with a change imo.

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Ts: better than

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Ts: 11

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Captain Luffy: Which only removes like 3 old ones?

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The8thSoul:

So we end up keeping 6 cupid variants lol

That's still the majority of existing ones ._.

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Ts: and 2 more open in suggestions that we'd need to add

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Ethan.: Tho we could rename cupid wolf to lupine Cupid for consistency

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Ts: yes

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Captain Luffy: Cupid wolf makes sense, it's in pack

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Ts: also Zombified gets removed by <#1092103666611273758>

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Captain Luffy: Lupine isnt

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Ethan.: Why would it be in pack

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Ethan.: Wouldn't it be a packless wolf

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Captain Luffy: Because it's converted by infecting wolf

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Ts: yea

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Ethan.: Oh

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Captain Luffy: Which makes the target join pack

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Ethan.: Ig?

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The8thSoul: Maybe call it Wolf Cupid?

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Vera but actually a frog: i dont think we should change cupid

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Ethan.: looks approved I'll make a PR

from what I remember it was Cupid gains lover's alignment Gains immunity to Pyro ignition if pyro lover, Plague if plague lover and loses soul if Hell lover No base alignment If DV or AW lover ig it can't change alignment same with hell lover

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Ts: <@&1045732542399131769>

The original poll is at a 1 vote difference, so here's another one with the change we discussed since the last poll fully listed.

• Cupid now always joins the exact alignment of their lover, having no base alignment or anything like that themselves (originally) but may gain one by changing role • When the Cupid falls in love with an UA player, they can only win via the UA win condition, as Cupid no longer has a base alignment • Transformation based Cupids are kept, but team joining ones are (partially) removed: ‣ Cupid - the base variant, stays but loses its base alignment ‣ Cupid Wolf, Undead Cupid, Spectral Cupid - we keep them, transformation variants, with this it is still possible for a cupid's lover to betray their team ‣ Lupine Cupid, Flaming Cupid, Plagued Cupid, Apocalyptic Cupid - these get removed ‣ Demonic Cupid - this one is kept due to hell's trust and soul mechanic ‣ Cupid Hag - this one is kept as a special case • A new cupid variant is introduced which copies the lover's alignment and cannot change role, this is to ensure compatibility with DV/AW (previously 2 new cupids were suggested for this, but 1 should suffice) • Cupids are immune to solo effects from their own team

You can find some research on Cupid here: https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1071199842342277180/1092120998490423386 This change has been suggested for probably years, though I and others have opposed. It seems unlikely that this change would have much impact, except for simplifying cupid. More on that here: https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/1071199842342277180/1092146679840510032

✅ Approve ⛔ Deny 🤷 Abstain

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Ethan.: • would they become cupid wolf if they loved a packless • also we should make them immune to their own solo team's effects when they join that team imo

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Ethan.: also on the first point of there what if they love a packless that becomes pack

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Ts: cupid wolf is a transformation role which is used when the cupid is infected by the infecting wolf. Cupid does not change role when falling in love except for Demonic Cupid and Cupid Hag which require special behaivor

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Ethan.: oh

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Ethan.: so even loving pack they remain packless

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Ts: Meant to list the effect immunity but forgot, added

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Ts:

so even loving pack they remain packless

yes

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Ethan.:

Meant to list the effect immunity but forgot, added

👍

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Captain Luffy: Could the AW/DV variant be combined with demonic

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Ethan.:

Could the AW/DV variant be combined with demonic

demonic also adds a soul to pool so not sure if that's wise due to it having weird interactions

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Ethan.: likr it would have to say "if hell team it also does this"

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Captain Luffy: It could just be able to be wagered

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Captain Luffy: Or add a line saying if it's partner is hell team it adds its soul to the poll

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Captain Luffy: Not a big enough difference to need a separate role

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Vera but actually a frog: dont do anything until i check this plz

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Ts:

dont do anything until i check this plz

when will that be?

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Vera but actually a frog: good question

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Vera but actually a frog: ig i'll trust yálls judgement

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Vera but actually a frog: starting to lose interest in wwr atm

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Ts: same!

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Ethan.: nvm

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Ethan.: I forgot about pins

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Ethan.: https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/978

<@242983689921888256> just needs the new variant, someone to check it and see what else needs changing too

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Ethan.: <@&1045732542399131769> we need names for the DV/AW variant for cupid

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!Phantomtomic: What does cupid + DV/AW do again?

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Ethan.: Can't change alignment

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Ethan.: I mean I could just give regular Cupid the power tbh

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Ethan.: Idk why we didn't do that

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Captain Luffy: Loyal cupid