Small Wisp buff

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Captain Luffy: wisp is a bit of guesswork and randomness. I think if it had a small amount of information it could make more educated guesses and strategic actions.

If there's other better suggestions, that works too. My suggestion is for it to know the amount of powdered players at the start of each day. This info lets it make educated guesses and lead to a slightly more informed decision. It's not perfect but I don't think it should be a strong change

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Ts: I'm not sure if this really does anything?

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The8thSoul: <@242983689921888256> does Pyro know how many are powdered at the start of each night?

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The8thSoul: If not, by giving Wisp the amount powdered each night, they could technically inform the Pyro the number powdered if they find them

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Ts: they sort of do

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Ts: oh actually, redirections exist

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The8thSoul:

oh actually, redirections exist

Also Exorcist

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shapechange: solos are informed when exo'ing happens

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The8thSoul:

solos are informed when exo'ing happens

Ah ok

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Captain Luffy: it helps them figure out how many pyro are alive

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Captain Luffy: or what pyros actions were, like if firebug warded

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Ethan.:

oh actually, redirections exist

If wisp is redirected onto someone already powdered they ignite them right

So it only reveals if a pyromancer powdered someone who was already powdered by redirection

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Ts: first thing is correct, not sure I understand the second

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Ts: it would also reveal if pyros powder somebody wisp powdered

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Ts: or if pyros get redirected to somebody who is already dead by other means

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Vera but actually a frog: i had a bunch of late game strategy as wisp when i played wisp, even when i didnt know all the powdered players

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The8thSoul: tbh tho... Wisp kinda acts like an extra pyro if they do not powder the same players as the pyro

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Vera but actually a frog: yeah that's the point

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Vera but actually a frog: plus the fact that wisp is a day action

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Captain Luffy: its a day kill which gets past most defences

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Ts: <@&1045732542399131769>

Give Wisp the power to learn how many people are powdered at the start of each day.

✅ Yes ⛔ No 🤷 Abstain

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Ts: ⛔ I think this power is so weak to basically be worthless. Unlike with the Plague team where the amount of players with the effect varies heavily, for Pyros this isn't really anything that should be too surprising. If anything this power could be useful to a Pyro that doesn't know the Wisp yet as it could help them decide whether they should ignite or not, but since the Wisp can't do that this information would only be available if the team had already united, in which case the amount of powdered player is already almost always know. I don't think this power is particularly horrible to add, but I think it's a bad idea to add powers that are pointless, as it makes the roles more complex and less easy to understand but then doesn't add anything to the game.

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Captain Luffy: would it be better if it learned who was powdered, or is that too strong

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!Phantomtomic: Probably

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Captain Luffy: its useful in the fact that they know how many living players are on their team, or if a pyro member is likely powdered

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The8thSoul: Maybe Pyro learns who the Wisp powders?

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The8thSoul: idk

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The8thSoul: Does Pyro already know exactly who is powdered?

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!Phantomtomic: No idts

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Vera but actually a frog:

would it be better if it learned who was powdered, or is that too strong

way too strong, it will give them a visit target

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!Phantomtomic: Oh yeah that's true, it limits the list the wisp should powder and makes igniting much more powerful

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Captain Luffy: ur right. the point of the thread was to think of some way to slightly buff wisp

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Captain Luffy: im thinking maybe they can learn when/if they get powdered, and by who. that sounds best to me

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!Phantomtomic: It's somewhat minimal though

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!Phantomtomic: And gives really little info to wisp

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The8thSoul: Well... it could also be if Wisp and Pyro powder the same person, they are ignited (so the power works both ways)

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!Phantomtomic: If wisp powders an already powdered it ignites

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Captain Luffy:

And gives really little info to wisp

wdym, you learn who pyro is?

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The8thSoul:

If wisp powders an already powdered it ignites

What I meant is if Pyro powders a target that Wisp powdered, it also ignites

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!Phantomtomic: Oh I missed the and by who

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Captain Luffy: no worries, easy mistake

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The8thSoul: Maybe if Wisp ignites, they learn the role of the player they ignited?

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The8thSoul: (final role)

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!Phantomtomic: It's helpful for info but not really helpful to find the pyro

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Captain Luffy: thats not useless to be sure, but not sure if its the buff needed

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!Phantomtomic: And rn I feel like the best mini buff for wisp is to let it find pyro team easier

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Captain Luffy: cuz rn they either need to public claim, or be ignited by pyromancers

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The8thSoul:

And rn I feel like the best mini buff for wisp is to let it find pyro team easier

does wisp learn pyro if they try to powder them?

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!Phantomtomic: No

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Captain Luffy: i think pyro can die by ignition, pretty sure. wisp cant though

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The8thSoul:

does wisp learn pyro if they try to powder them?

This was worded poorly...