BH Buff

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Ts: <:BitterHag:990716722543755354> Potentially buff BH

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Vera but actually a frog: so that's 1 hag down

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The8thSoul:

2. There is normally 3 Hags and 3 teams. Meaning Hags will never turn Bitter, as it is incredibly likely all Hags are dead by the time all teams have wronged them.

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Vera but actually a frog: in a 3p hag game, that's 3 hags -1 is 2 hags that can turn bitter max

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Vera but actually a frog: that's 2 kills, 2 protect and 2 invests every night

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Vera but actually a frog: arguably that's pretty strong*

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The8thSoul:

in a 3p hag game, that's 3 hags -1 is 2 hags that can turn bitter max

oh wait, I forgot multiple teams can wrong the Hags through lynch

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Vera but actually a frog: so becoming bitter is possible, however in all hag games, hags have claimed to some alignment once so that alignment ignores the hags, meaning there's no wronging left

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The8thSoul:

arguably that's pretty strong*

I think the issue is how most of the time it is only 1 Bitter Hag

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The8thSoul: If it even happened

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Vera but actually a frog: with only 1 bitter hag its pretty okay-ish, however theres no need for the hags to use their protect on anyone except themselves

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Vera but actually a frog: the kill every night is okay, i think

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Vera but actually a frog: the invest, sure

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Vera but actually a frog: but the protect is practically useless in the way that it will always be used to protect the hag

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Vera but actually a frog: theres nothing that limits the protection spell from being used on the same hag every night

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Vera but actually a frog: so i think bitter hag as is might be a bit too powerful

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The8thSoul:

theres nothing that limits the protection spell from being used on the same hag every night

It could probably be used on themselves every night, practically making them immortal lol

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Vera but actually a frog: it can only be killed by lynch

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Vera but actually a frog: thats what i was saying

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The8thSoul: ah ok

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The8thSoul: I think the wording of the bitter hag role is either misleading or needs a little edit tho tbh

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The8thSoul: Coz atm it's a bit ambiguous whether it meant each ability once per game or each ability once every night

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The8thSoul: Tbh I think Bitter Hags should just be immortal at night and can choose either to attack or investigate a player every night

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The8thSoul: It would probably simplify things a lot

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Vera but actually a frog: thats the exact same as giving them an option to protect

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Vera but actually a frog: its just that they have to input it

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The8thSoul:

thats the exact same as giving them an option to protect

yes, but there is literally no point in having them protect anyone else

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The8thSoul: They are solo anyways, protecting other players would only do harm than do any good at that point

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The8thSoul: Also, I think having all three abilities at their disposal is a bit much

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The8thSoul: Hence why they should only have the additional ability to attack or investigate a player each night, rather than being capable of doing both

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The8thSoul: That way, they can either choose to go full on offensive and attack only, or check for info first before devising a strategy to slowly take down every other player

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The8thSoul: Lore-wise, it also kinda makes sense to have a magical barrier, and only having time to attack or investigate one person each night

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The8thSoul: (curses and divination)

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The8thSoul: And one more thing:

• If Bitter Hags are invulnerable at night, other players could also find them by attacking them.

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The8thSoul: I think it balances it a lot more

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The8thSoul: especially since the Bitter Hag will either be solo or in a pair

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Ethan.:

oh im just saying that i cant really imagine a change because we never used bh

We had that VIP game

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Ts: also a MWR game

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Vera but actually a frog: i dont think mini wolves is very representative of bh

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Vera but actually a frog: i didnt remember it in vip

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Vera but actually a frog: but its impossible to recreate bh like it happened in vip (hag got wronged by invest)

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Ts: <@&1045732542399131769>

Change Bitter Hag to get to use the 3 abilities every night, instead of just once.

✅ Approve ⛔ Deny 🤷 Abstain

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shapechange: sure why not

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Ts: Approved

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Fixed by https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/commit/e06ac040010e056f54609dd049487b194ad66211