Open olympusMonspeacebeuponhim opened 2 years ago
Shame , Shame, Shame ... ahm Shame
I have a few thoughts on this proposed change as it is:
The way the Sansar manga-carta is written the conduct descriptions belong in a separate section from the enforcement actions.
I believe there is a possibility where repeated user pouching could be an issue. However:
Aside from cases where someone is purposely pouching to cause harm or a long term repeat offender to the general community the act of user pouching would be extremely difficult to prove.
Most importantly, imho we wouldn't want to create an atmosphere where users felt as though they couldn't freely decide to leave an event or world anytime they wished. We already have enough social pressures upon us.
this all should be education to the laws. you would be violating the law by pouching. most would say the user didnt know they were doing anything bad. i would say the user knew exactly what they were doing. they came to a populated world. they took people away from that populated world to take to their world. It is very bad etiquette which there is a need for etiquette in the realm. Also i have seen where this does lead to interpersonal disputes. dont do it. dont be a poucher.
The hardest thing in sansar to do is get people to organically go to someones world. The person that figures out how to do this the best will be a reason why sansar will grow. People had fun somewhere and they came back. They didnt happen on the person that is pouchings world. What they are doing is not working. and The ates says to innovate
If this is a case of the offender repeatedly pouching from a specific event holder then that event holder already has tools to block the offender from entering their worlds.--emulor
thats the main argument as to why this all a waste of time because we already have tools. thats kinda what a group of us has been saying but we get pushback from devs. in some ways if the ability for us to make the rules like im attempting to do it is a little midieval but could possibly be perfect for a meta verse. please read and understand all of what im saying. i didnt says just this is all a waste of time.
I like where you are coming from with this @olympusMonspeacebeuponhim. :blue_heart:
There should probably be mention of this behavior in the guidelines somewhere. As to where exactly it should be mentioned I don't have a suggestion at this point, but we should figure it out.
that's the main argument as to why this all a waste of time because we already have tools
Creators have the power to block from their worlds but they do not have the power to carry out platform wide enforcement actions. imho the Magna Carta is for dealing with behavior that rises to a level of seriousness which likely affects the entire community and platform. As such I am suggesting that if someone were to be truly causing havoc for the entire platform or habitually targeting user(s) it would then escalate to a level of severity in which moderators would need to take action.
Again this is just my humble opinion: Enforcement actions should always be rare occurrences. We should not be able categorize something that could be attributed to bad etiquette as an offense worth of such measures. Hanlon's razor
so only when someone is banned. but moderation might just be a conversation. hey you did this they are saying if you did do better. but how do you deal with that. without documentation what if that leads to a permanant bann. its a factor to something later. what is running havoc. not everything in moderation is having to do with worse case scenario.
4.1 Pouching Law
If user comes into a populated world that isn't sansar created(private user world) and pouches users from that world to take to their private world this is against sansar law. It causes harm to sansar because whatever the user with the populated world is organically bringing people into is working to bring fun and enjoyment to those users. Users should encourage to inovate and come up with ideas to bring that same fun and enjoyment to people that visit their world but on their own time not the time of the person with populated world. This include sansar employees. Violation of this law cannot lead to permanent ban. It can lead to a temporary service ban or other punishment in replace of service ban scarlet letter that must be worn on the avatar visible as accesory for time period of punishment to show they are a poucher. Punishment can be up to 2 months with scarlet letter
1st offense(documented, public) verbal warning by moderation. Evidence is needed. 2nd offense(documented, public) two day temp ban or two days with scarlet letter. Evidence is needed. 3rd offense(documented, public) one week temp ban or one week with scarlet letter. Evidence is needed. 4th offense(documented, public) two weeks temp ban or two weeks with scarlet letter. Evidence is needed. 5th offense(documented, public) one month temp ban or one month with scarlet letter. Evidence is needed. 6th and every offense after(documented, public) two months temp ban or two months scarlet letter. Evidence is needed.