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Mekanism addition proposal #426

Open TheDeviantCrafter opened 6 years ago

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

Mekanism's late game is fiendishly complex. That said, I don't like the early game. It's based on a few magic blocks that function almost identically to the pulverizer. The early game seems like a poor fit, but once you reach 3x ore processing it's fantastic.

Here's my proposal on how to work it into the rest of the pack:

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

The Wikipedia page has some information on how osmium is made. Apparently it's a biproduct of refining copper and nickel ore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmium

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

@PandaBoy444, thoughts on this?

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

I went through all of the recipes for the Energized Smelter, Precision Sawmill, and Crusher and made a list of the unique recipes the mod needs to work. Here is that list:

Enrichment chamber: -3 HDPE Pellet > HDPE sheet - -Redstone > compressed redstone - -Diamond > compressed diamond - -Charcoal/coal > compressed carbon -Refined obsidian dust > compressed obsidian - -Dirty metal dust > metal dust

Crusher: -Bio Fuel -Metal lump > dirty metal dust -Salt block > salt

The sawmill didn't do anything unique, and the energized smelter is just a furnace. Here are the replacement recipes I'm going to add. Note that Panda may choose to replace these with better options:

Metal press:

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

I think we need to get rid of osmium altogether, I don't see much reason for it to exist, all of those machines can be made of steel or some other metal.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

The reason I ended up including it was that it's required for the osmium compressor. You can't change the osmium ingot with CraftTweaker.

Then again, we should probably just remove the machine.

ProjectGearBot commented 6 years ago

@PandaBoy444: it's used only for refined obsidian and glowsone ingot

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

Which machine should we use instead? Both alloys have enough uses to be worth keeping.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

Glowstone ingot you can already make with normal casting of liquid glowstone, we can add it to other processes as well. The refined obsidian you can already make by putting the dust in an arc furnace, the dust is made from obsidian and diamond in the metallurgic infuser but I can think of a few other ways to make it as well. I wouldn't want to lock it behind the arc furnace though, so finding a way to inefficiently turn the dust into the ingot would be ideal.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

We could move that recipe to a cheaper machine, and then change the arc furnace recipe so it doesn't require a diamond.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

I think we can keep the diamond, it's a high-level ingredient I'd prefer to keep it that way, we can make it output more if you prefer, though I don't think it's too expansive.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

We can add more uses for the ingot to make it more enticing to automate.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

It seems the refining process uses the diamonds to refine it and not as an ingredient, so if we can find other ways that make sense for refining and are a balanced alternative that could be an option.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

It's currently used to turn Rustic's slate into Earthworks' purple slate. One nugget is required to convert 8 slate.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

What about crystalized chorus chunk? it's a by-product of squeezing chorus fruit.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

Obsidian is already pretty interesting to automate. It can't be made in a smeltery or a fluid transposer, so it needs to be done in-world.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

Ok, we can use the grindstone to refine it, it's much slower than the infuser so that can equal out.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

I'd like another recipe too. Factory Tech should be encouraged, but not required.

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

Refining the dust in the mixer with water and slag? 3 obsidian dust + 1 slag + 1,000mb water = molten refined obsidian?

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

What if we combine obsidian with skystone?

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

We can make it a rare by-product for crushing obsidian, then it will be obtainable but not very convenient.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

I like that idea. We'd need to give crushed obsidian more uses, though. I like the idea of making skystone from redstone, basalt and obsidian for some reason.

ProjectGearBot commented 6 years ago

@PandaBoy444: I don't think it fits because skystone is a combination of rare metals from space

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

We can make another issue about using crushed obsidian. For now, I like these recipes:

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

Sounds good. To be clear though, there is crushed obsidian and refined crushed obsidian, we are talking about the latter (?). I think we should keep the diamond recipe as well though, make it as efficient as the chorus one but much faster

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

Yes, we're talking about crushed refined obsidian. I agree with the diamond recipe.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

I'd also like to remove the following machines:

Yarden-zamir commented 6 years ago

I would think all of the factories should be removed, they seem to be just a way to put a "factory" into one block.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

A lot of people have complained about Mekanism machines causing performance improvements, both in the TPS and FPS departments. I think we should keep them to cut down on machine spam.

TheDeviantCrafter commented 6 years ago

I've disabled a bunch of Mekanism recipes. Here's the complete list:

-Enrichment chamber (and factory variants) Reason: Magic block Important recipes: Already added to other machines

-Crusher (and factory variants) Reason: Magic block Important recipes: Already added to other machines

-Precision sawmill (and factory variants) Reason: Magic block Important recipes: None

-Energized smelter (and factory variants) Reason: Magic block Important recipes: None

-Combiner (and factory variants) Reason: I never liked being able to turn metals back into ores. If we ever add a 9x ore processing chain, it will be an exploit. Important recipes: None -Osmium compressor (and factory variants) Reason: Magic block Important recipe: Refined obsidian, refined glowstone

-The fluid, RF and item cables Reason: Magic block, very unstable

-The digital miner Reason: Seriously OP

-All the bins Reason: We have more interesting alternatives