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GZDoom is a feature centric port for all Doom engine games, based on ZDoom, adding an OpenGL renderer and powerful scripting capabilities
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Feature Request: Adding Support in GZDoom for Doom 64? #1646

Closed MasterO2 closed 2 years ago

MasterO2 commented 2 years ago

@madame-rachelle @coelckers

On 23rd June 2022, GOG launched its own release for Doom 64:

https://www.gog.com/en/game/doom_64

Can this be supported by GZDoom? Please advise.

If that is not possible, I will close this thread accordingly.

Also, thank you both and all of the contributors to GZDoom for continuing to make this source port great.

coelckers commented 2 years ago

No, we cannot support this unless there is an official source code release under a permissive license. GZDoom is being used as a commercial engine which means it cannot incorporate any code that is even remotely dubious.

thekovic commented 2 years ago

@coelckers Doom 64 EX source code is released under GNU GPL. See here. It's not as accurate as the official port but the differences are small so you could totally use that as a base to get DOOM64.wad playing.

madame-rachelle commented 2 years ago

And to that I say - it's been out and available for so long that if GZDoom ever was going to do that, it probably would've done it by now. Not saying it's impossible - just saying don't count your chickens just now.

madame-rachelle commented 2 years ago

To be clear I would love Doom64 support in GZDoom as well - but it's not as simple as you guys seem to be desperate to think that it is. It's not just a simple YOOOINK OH HERE'S SUDDEN DOOM 64 SUPPORT OUT OF NOWHERE BECAUSE OF A SOURCE CODE I FOUND. If you really think it's that simple go ahead and do it yourself - let me know how that goes. Meanwhile the rest of us have IRL, family, work, health, and a whole bunch of other things we have to deal with as well.

MajorCooke commented 2 years ago

Blzut3 was doing something with this a long time ago but he stopped working on it for an unknown reason, just thought I'd chime in with that.

thekovic commented 2 years ago

The least that can be done is un-close this issue because clearly Doom 64 support is a feature that is possible to be added. Believe me, I understand that actually implementing it is not going to be quick and easy but I'm frankly getting tired of Doom 64 constantly being shoved away to a corner and nobody caring about it.

MajorCooke commented 2 years ago

No, we cannot support this unless there is an official source code release under a permissive license. GZDoom is being used as a commercial engine which means it cannot incorporate any code that is even remotely dubious.

That means it's an absolute no. So, on the contrary, there's no point to reopening this. Lets say that it is compatible, it seems to me that no one wants to do it. If that were the case, then it's been closed because it's not a priority or something they don't want to implement themselves.

TheKins commented 2 years ago

GZDoom is being used as a commercial engine which means it cannot incorporate any code that is even remotely dubious.

So when's the Strife support getting removed? Need to know in advance so I can adjust/replace all the Strife-isms in my project (dialogue system etc.)

Edward850 commented 2 years ago

No, we cannot support this unless there is an official source code release under a permissive license. GZDoom is being used as a commercial engine which means it cannot incorporate any code that is even remotely dubious.

That means it's an absolute no. So, on the contrary, there's no point to reopening this. Lets say that it is compatible, it seems to me that no one wants to do it. If that were the case, then it's been closed because it's not a priority or something they don't want to implement themselves.

Strife lives under the exact same circumstances. Doom64Ex is fully usable as a reverse engineering base if you also accept Strife's same legal status of its work too.

madame-rachelle commented 2 years ago

Whatabout-ism and "proving someone else wrong" just to show off your internet cajones and how super-duper smart you are (wow congrats, really deserves a medal, that one) is not getting you any closer to getting this implemented. Take that insanity somewhere else, not here.

coelckers commented 2 years ago

So when's the Strife support getting removed?

Never. Last time I checked the complete source for Strife VE is being shipped as part of the game, licensed under the GPLv3. That's a very different situation than Doom 64.