LREC 2014 proceedings are 404

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

On http://aclanthology.info/events/lrec-2014, the LREC 2014 proceedings URL (http://aclweb.org/anthology/L14-1) is 404.

On the same page, http://aclweb.org/anthology/L14-1000 is also 404.

[knmnyn]

Hi Frank:

Thanks for your bug report. LREC did not provide full volumes for their conferences on their webpage, so we regret to state that the proceedings cannot be downloaded as volumes.

This is a known problem with the Anthology's representation and we will continue to work towards dealing with it.

Cheers,

Min

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On http://aclanthology.info/events/lrec-2014, the LREC 2014 proceedings URL (http://aclweb.org/anthology/L14-1) is 404.

On the same page, http://aclweb.org/anthology/L14-1000 is also 404.

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[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Thanks, how about placing a PDF that simply says something like PDF/proceedings not available, or (better I think) concatenating the PDF of each paper?

[knmnyn]

@Franck-Dernoncourt Good point. We'll keep this issue open until we have a good resolution for it. LREC doesn't allow us as a third-party to aggregate and serve their content, so a unavailable PDF icon would be better than what we have currently.

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

You don't need permissions from LREC given the license they chose for the proceedings to aggregate and serve their content,.

http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2016/index.html

The LREC 2016 Proceedings are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License

The license allows to Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material.

[knmnyn]

We are waiting for ELRA (LREC's parent) to help with the ingestion of their metadata into the appropriate format. We have no extra bandwidth to ingest their metadata at this time. LREC 16 is also outstanding and not indexed.

[knmnyn]

ELRA currently prefers that ACL does not host its proceedings. So we will listen to their preferences, although their license does allow us to do so.

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Thanks. I don't understand why ELRA would be against placing NLP papers conveniently in the same location (ACL anthology). Unless there is a good reason for it, I'd ignore their preferences.

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ELRA currently prefers that ACL does not host its proceedings. So we will listen to their preferences, although their license does allow us to do so.

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[knmnyn]

I want to clarify. ELRA is well within their rights to ask ACL to refrain from hosting their proceedings. It is their copyrighted materials. The ACL Anthology is an aggregator of NLP/CL materials but it cannot (and prefers not to) force third party NLP/CL publishers to make their materials available to the ACL. The Anthology is a public service and not meant as a vehicle for anything other than that.

ELRA is already deliberating whether they want to revisit their policy on ACL Anthology hosting. But the matter is up to them. If ELRA changes their mind to allow the Anthology to host their materials, ACL will do so. Due to limited human resource bandwidth, we cannot place the same priority on non-ACL materials in the caretaking of the Anthology.

Likewise, ACL (as advised by me) make a similar decision to withdraw its materials from the caretaking by the ACM digital library and ACL struck out on its own to be in charge of its own publications. See historical reference here http://aclweb.org/adminwiki/index.php?title=2013Q3_Reports:_ACL_Anthology

The ACL wishes to preserve its good relations with all of our other sister organizations and will follow their executive committee's wishes. It is a matter of ACL's courtesy to the rest of the community.

Individuals are, of course, welcomed to use the individual licenses posted by ELRA for other materials, so you are welcomed to download and index them individually as per their CC-BY 4.0. But the ACL is an organization, and should obey the preferences between peer organizations.

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Thanks. I understand your stance. Do you know why ELRA is against placing LREC papers on ACL anthology?

On Jan 12, 2018 22:45, "Min-Yen Kan" notifications@github.com wrote:

I want to clarify. ELRA is well within their rights to ask ACL to refrain from hosting their proceedings. It is their copyrighted materials. The ACL Anthology is an aggregator of NLP/CL materials but it cannot (and prefers not to) force third party NLP/CL publishers to make their materials available to the ACL. The Anthology is a public service and not meant as a vehicle for anything other than that.

ELRA is already deliberating whether they want to revisit their policy on ACL Anthology hosting. But the matter is up to them. If ELRA changes their mind to allow the Anthology to host their materials, ACL will do so. Due to limited human resource bandwidth, we cannot place the same priority on non-ACL materials in the caretaking of the Anthology.

Likewise, ACL (as advised by me) make a similar decision to withdraw its materials from the caretaking by the ACM digital library and ACL struck out on its own to be in charge of its own publications. See historical reference here http://aclweb.org/adminwiki/index.php?title=2013Q3_ Reports:_ACL_Anthology

The ACL wishes to preserve its good relations with all of our other sister organizations and will follow their executive committee's wishes. It is a matter of ACL's courtesy to the rest of the community.

Individuals are, of course, welcomed to use the individual licenses posted by ELRA for other materials, so you are welcomed to download and index them individually as per their CC-BY 4.0. But the ACL is an organization, and should obey the preferences between peer organizations.

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[knmnyn]

I paraphrase the logic that I was given:

1) First and foremost, they are ELRA assets. The copyright belongs with ELRA. ACL does similar with the publications that we publish, using the same CC-BY 4.0. Imagine that another organization makes the entire ACL Anthology assets available on another website but branded by an that external organization. That would make ACL unhappy even if they attribute it to ACL. CC-BY 4.0's spirit is to allow individuals access to works needed by them, but although it does not make any distinction between individuals and organizations, could cause animosity between organizations. (Again, I repeat that the ACL also did similar with ACM in 2012).

2) ELRA provides a number of services to their members on top of their proceedings (see any of the recent LREC sites). It is important for ELRA to want to maintain the discoverability of those resources. In certain ways, ELRA's LREC is ahead of the ACL Anthology in terms of its scholarly document processing. They need to administer the server on which they are stored and define their own priorities for the development of their materials, they do not (and cannot) expect ACL to provide such services according to ELRA's priorities. ELRA's version on their website is the canonical version of their proceedings and synchronization with respect to updates is a real problem.

Hope that helps!

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Thanks for the explanation. I now understand ELRA's reasoning (and disagree with it).

Just curious regarding these 2 points:

ELRA's LREC is ahead of the ACL Anthology in terms of its scholarly document processing.

In what way is ELRA's LREC ahead of the ACL Anthology in terms of its scholarly document processing? For example, when I go on http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2016/papers.html I don't see any feature that ACL Anthology doesn't have, except for the presence of topics.

ELRA's version on their website is the canonical version of their proceedings and synchronization with respect to updates is a real problem.

Do LREC papers get updated after they are published?

[knmnyn]

In what way is ELRA's LREC ahead of the ACL Anthology in terms of its scholarly document processing? For example, when I go on http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2016/papers.html I don't see any feature that ACL Anthology doesn't have, except for the presence of topics. ELRA's version on their website is the canonical version of their proceedings and synchronization with respect to updates is a real problem.

I think they categorize for topics as well as (target) language. I understand there is more in the works. The ACL Anthology also has other development planned, but we are bogged down by the sheer weight of operations (many publishing events every year, every month)

Do LREC papers get updated after they are published?

I assume they might get updated when there are problems with the camera ready submissions. This is also a problem with the Anthology, when proceedings chairs find particular problems that require the camera-ready papers to be updated.

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Got it, thanks for the information!

On 14 January 2018 at 18:01, Min-Yen Kan notifications@github.com wrote:

In what way is ELRA's LREC ahead of the ACL Anthology in terms of its scholarly document processing? For example, when I go on http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2016/papers.html I don't see any feature that ACL Anthology doesn't have, except for the presence of topics. ELRA's version on their website is the canonical version of their proceedings and synchronization with respect to updates is a real problem.

I think they categorize for topics as well as (target) language. I understand there is more in the works. The ACL Anthology also has other development planned, but we are bogged down by the sheer weight of operations (many publishing events every year, every month)

Do LREC papers get updated after they are published? I assume they might get updated when there are problems with the camera ready submissions. This is also a problem with the Anthology, when proceedings chairs find particular problems that require the camera-ready papers to be updated.

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[awaisathar]

Some updates https://twitter.com/NicolettaCZ/status/1000297323652702208?s=19

[knmnyn]

Great! Awaiting more official news!

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Some updates https://twitter.com/NicolettaCZ/status/1000297323652702208?s=19

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[knmnyn]

Given that LREC now gave us explicit permissions to ingest their proceedings, we'll need to revisit this and import LREC 14 in as well.

[Franck-Dernoncourt]

Great, thanks!