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Flaming
Title: Amphetamine acetone wash: 20 Feb 2011 12:58
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Hi every one.
I just want to briefly tell you about my experience of cleansing from amphetamines. (acetone wash)
I got hold of some amphetamine, it REALLY HURTS to snort. However, we are not talking 4-FA bad, but good up there. And then it was blue, yes blue. So I thought it might just need a quick wash. I just started with taking 2 grams to start with.
What I used was acetone, 2 glasses, a glass stirring stick, and a 5mL syringe.
I put my bottle of acetone in the freezer until it was really cold.
I chopped and crushed my amphetamine as best I could.
I put some acetone into my glass, about 25 mL, and put the amphetamine into the glass together with the acetone.
I stirred vigorously. The acetone quickly turned milky white with a blue tinge, and there was a little sediment that looked like pure amphetamine.
Stirred vigorously for a few minutes.
I took out a coffee filter, cut it a little so that it fit into the other glass I had found.
I poured the amphetamine together with the acetone into the coffee filter, but some residue remained in the second glass, then sucked up some acetone with my syringe, and sprayed so that the residue was washed out of the glass into the coffee filter.
I let it stand for about 10 minutes until it had all run through. Took the coffee filter and put it on the hot radiator in the living room.
5 minutes later it was crisp dry and was weighed.
There was 1135 mg left after the 2000 mg.
It was tasted. It still hurts quite a bit, but not nearly as bad. And the taste was perfectly fine, no taste of acetone at all. The blue color had completely disappeared, and a nice, delicious white product was left.
In any case, this is by no means the last time I clean my amphetamine!
I will always do that in the future, that's for sure. And it takes no time to give it an acetone wash.
It may well be that I have not done it completely according to the book. But IMO I was quite satisfied with the end product.
Can you do the same procedure with IPA? to get it even cleaner?
Mvh Stefan!
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Flux.
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 20 Feb 2011 17:05
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Sounds exciting.
You don't have any pictures of it before and after?
blue amphetamine sounds pretty scary.
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Flaming
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:19
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Yes, blue amphetamine is really scary.
But have I done it exactly right?
Can the same procedure be used with IPA?
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:28
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There are some guides in here that relate to IPA.. Without going too deep into the process, I would say the IPA method changes your amphetamine to methamphetamine - which may not be so lucky. As I said, this is without going too deep into the process, but there is quite a good post on the board. I'll link later if I can find it
And yes, you've done it right.. However, many people prefer to pour the amphetamine into the coffee filter and just pour the acetone over it.. It's somewhat easier, and somewhat easier to control - but the principle is the same
Nice to hear from people who actually clean their stuff, and not just cram anything into their heads
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The shit
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:43
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Highroller wrote:
Nice to hear from people who are actually cleaning their stuff, and not just stuffing anything into their heads
You just have to keep in mind that other active substances are not filtered out. Which are also unfortunate to consume. But of course, nasty waste.. add
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:54
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Hehe, well of course Ens amf will never be 100% pure amphetamine, but it's good to see people at least doing what they can
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 08:46
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Found the topic I was talking about before (Would prefer not to just quote from there, as you should read the whole thing!)
Cleansing of amf
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BlackSnog
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:07
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Highroller wrote:
There are some guides in here that relate to IPA.. Without going too deep into the process, I would say the IPA method changes your amphetamine to methamphetamine -
Oh what? It makes no sense that the IPA should change the amphetamine to meth. Do you have a link?
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:30
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Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
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BlackSnog
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:56
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Highroller wrote:
Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
It's quite a long thread. Can see that meth is mentioned a few times, but nowhere that the amphe turns into meth.
However, there is talk somewhere that a given method is suitable for purifying methamphetamine but possibly not amphetamine.
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 25 Feb 2011 00:24
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Highroller wrote:
Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
In that case, you have misunderstood the thread... If amphetamine was to be converted to methamphetamine, it was synthesis, not purification.
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 25 Feb 2011 06:49
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Then I looked through the thread.
Yeti wrote:
I will allow myself to question KenIshii's method.
The sulfate salt of amphetamine (which is what you always get) is very slightly soluble in IPA,
boiling or not, so I doubt it can be done the way he describes it.
It looks to me like a method for purifying methamphetamine.HCl (where the method works fine),
but I don't believe it is suitable for ordinary amphetamine sulfate.
KenIshii wrote:
Don't fuckin' argue with me, I know everything and have a huge dick, yadeyadeyade
No, kidding aside...
Yeti is probably right about me confusing it with meth.hcl cleansing. When
I think about it, I don't remember seeing amf.sulphate dissolved in the
dual solvent system with my own eyes, so it's probably my brain that's misremembering.
This is what I was alluding to, and yes, I had just forgotten it was not about a synthesis, but a purification - it is of course quite important (Note to self: D'oh!). But anyway the point was that IPA was used for purification of methamphetamine, and will not be very effective for purification of regular amphetamine.
I must have been a bit behind when I wrote the post, because after reading the topic I linked to again, I really have no idea how I could have KenIshii's post misunderstood so badly.. My bad
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 26 Feb 2011 09:41
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What is meant is that this method with dual solvent (or 2 nonpolar liquids) for recrystallization of methylamphetamine does not work on Amphetamine SO4, on the contrary it is incorrect and completely wrong.
I believe that there must be some really old posts in that search engine if you search under the user dextrose,
where he says that he has recrystallized amphetamine SO4 with just ipa and acetone and even that with quite fine results.
Think the mixing ratios are 1ml ipa to 3ml acetone.
It must be a 100% pure Isopropanol, not isopropyl alcohol from Matas, it contains too much water and the boiling point is unknown. Isopropanol boils at 82 degrees.
The acetone used must be a lukewarm anhydrous acetone.
When the ipa boils, pour 3 times as much lukewarm acetone as you have ipa in. That
's why it's really smart to invest in a small 500ml or smaller Erhlenmeyer flask in pyrex or borosilicate to have standing in the water bath, as there are ml measures on the side an Erhlenmeyer flask.
In order for the temperature not to drop too quickly, it is important that the acetone is lukewarm when you put it in the boiling ipa, therefore put a piece of plastic around the opening of the bottle of acetone and an elastic band around the lid and put the bottle with acetone into a wash tub with hot water until it needs to be used, when the acetone has been added, remove the flask and insert a rubber stopper and place the flask in a warm room (minimum 25 degrees) again so that the temperature inside the bottle can drop slowly
when the temperature in the bottle has reached room temperature, put the flask in the fridge for approx. 1 hour's time and then put it in the freezer for 12 hours, the crystals should very much have emerged by now.
The crystals are then collected in a coffee filter and you can collect the rest of the liquid to the municipal chemistry in a brown medicine bottle.
But the one with amphetamine sulfate is supposed to turn into meth from lying in the ipa, it is completely open and shit in
Amphetamine can well become to meth but it requires, as No Name says, the cunning of a synthesis.
Of course, this assumes you have pure amphetamine in the first place, but let's just pretend you do and you want to spice it up a bit. The difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine is the addition of a single methyl group (CH 3 ) to the amino group sticking out in the middle of a carbon atom in the chain. Fortunately, amines are replaced very simply. By vaporizing your amine (your amphetamine) with a lot of vaporized chloromethane (CH 3 Cl, a solvent), and some gaseous pyridine ... voila, that amino group takes the methyl from the chloromethane and lets a hydrogen molecule disappear. The hydrogen joins liberated chlorine, and the resulting HCl is soaked up with pyridine. Pyridine is optional. Adding it drives the reaction a little bit by pulling the excess HCl out of the mass, but it's not necessary.
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BlackSnog
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 26 feb 2011 12:32
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Kræver god udsugning at arbejde med kogende IPA og overophedet acetone. Godt indlæg Mark
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 26 feb 2011 14:21
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Mark: har du selv prøvet at bruge IPA til omkrystallisering af amfetaminsulfat?
Jeg ved med sikkerhed at Dex aldrig havde held med at omkrystallisere amf i IPA.
Der er ingen planet B.
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 26 feb 2011 16:15
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Mark skrev:
Forskellen mellem amfetamin og metamfetamin er tilføjelsen af en enkelt methyl gruppe (CH 3 ) til aminogruppen stikker ud midt i et kulstofatom i kæden. Heldigvis erstattes aminer meget simpelt. Ved at fordampe din amin (din amfetamin) med en masse fordampede chlormethan (CH 3 Cl, et opløsningsmiddel), og nogle gasformige pyridin ... voila, den aminogruppen tager methyl fra chlormethan og lader en brint molekyle forsvinde. Brinten tiltræder befriet klor, og den deraf følgende HCl er gennemblødt op af pyridin. Pyridin er valgfrit. Tilføjelsen af det driver reaktionen en lille smule ved at trække det overskydende HCl ud af massen, men det er ikke nødvendigt.
Tror bare det kører i møglavt udbytte desværre. Det ret er svært at styre, at du ikke får dannet den tertiære amin eller det kvarternære salt ved den procedure. Jo flere alkylgrupper, du har på din amin, jo mere reaktiv vil den være. Så man vil ofte ende ud i en kæmpe blanding af produkter. Hvis man sku lave meth udfra amfetamin, var reduktiv alkylering med formaldehyd måske en bedre idé. Det er lidt nemmere at styre, man ikke får så meget af den tertiære amin.
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Mark
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 01:31
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Kan ikke med sikkerhed sige det Yeti
kan huske noget om en rekrystallisering der virkede
men det ikke helt rigtigt det jeg skrev sidst
fordi !
et gram ren amfetamin SO4 skulle først kunne opløses i 500ml ipa
det meget hvis man vil rekrystallisere store mængder med ipa
altså en halv liter pr gram
så det skal være noget af en beaker til
hvis der også skal kunne værre 1500ml acetone i pr gr
hvis det skal passe med det du nævnte engang Yeti
med at målestokken er 3 til 1 i forhold til acetone og ipa
nu siger jeg måske noget helt hen i vejret men tror man kunne nøjes med mindre mængder hvis man brugte diethylether/æter istedet for acetone det er bare svært at skaffe nu til dags
og hvis man brugte methanol istedet for ipa kunne man nok også nøjes med en hel del mindre væske en de 500ml pr gram
det er mit bedste bud på en vellykket rekrystalisering til større partier
men hey ret mig endelig hvis jeg tager fejl
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 09:15
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 14:56
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Mark skrev:
et gram ren amfetamin SO4 skulle først kunne opløses i 500ml ipa
det meget hvis man vil rekrystallisere store mængder med ipa
altså en halv liter pr gram
det er ikke korrekt.
1g amfetaminsulfat kan opløses i 500g (gram, ikke ml. dvs. 500g/0,789g/ml = ~633ml) ETHANOL, ikke ipa.
IPA er betydeligt dårligere til at indeholde salte end ethanol, så der skal formodentlig op mod en liter kogende ipa, til at opløse 1g amfetaminsulfat
derudover har Sortsnog ret - kogende ipa skal holdes udendøre, eller med GOD udsugning. ipa-dampe forårsager let eksplosions agtige brænde, i stil med ether.
methanol vil være et bedre bud på en alkohol, der er til at omkrystallisere amfetaminsulfat fra
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Mark
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 23:23
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Det er det jeg siger visse mennesker er fødte slyngler og har styr på den slags
Eller bare om sidder begyndt at lave deres lektier
helt klart methanol
kan også skaffes sådan forholdshvis nemt
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Hi every one.
I just want to briefly tell you about my experience of cleansing from amphetamines. (acetone wash)
I got hold of some amphetamine, it REALLY HURTS to snort. However, we are not talking 4-FA bad, but good up there. And then it was blue, yes blue. So I thought it might just need a quick wash. I just started with taking 2 grams to start with.
What I used was acetone, 2 glasses, a glass stirring stick, and a 5mL syringe.
I put my bottle of acetone in the freezer until it was really cold. I chopped and crushed my amphetamine as best I could.
I put some acetone into my glass, about 25 mL, and put the amphetamine into the glass together with the acetone. I stirred vigorously. The acetone quickly turned milky white with a blue tinge, and there was a little sediment that looked like pure amphetamine. Stirred vigorously for a few minutes. I took out a coffee filter, cut it a little so that it fit into the other glass I had found.
I poured the amphetamine together with the acetone into the coffee filter, but some residue remained in the second glass, then sucked up some acetone with my syringe, and sprayed so that the residue was washed out of the glass into the coffee filter.
I let it stand for about 10 minutes until it had all run through. Took the coffee filter and put it on the hot radiator in the living room. 5 minutes later it was crisp dry and was weighed. There was 1135 mg left after the 2000 mg.
It was tasted. It still hurts quite a bit, but not nearly as bad. And the taste was perfectly fine, no taste of acetone at all. The blue color had completely disappeared, and a nice, delicious white product was left.
In any case, this is by no means the last time I clean my amphetamine! I will always do that in the future, that's for sure. And it takes no time to give it an acetone wash.
It may well be that I have not done it completely according to the book. But IMO I was quite satisfied with the end product. Can you do the same procedure with IPA? to get it even cleaner?
Mvh Stefan!
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Flux.
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 20 Feb 2011 17:05
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Sounds exciting. You don't have any pictures of it before and after? blue amphetamine sounds pretty scary.
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Flaming Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:19
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Yes, blue amphetamine is really scary.
But have I done it exactly right?
Can the same procedure be used with IPA?
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:28
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There are some guides in here that relate to IPA.. Without going too deep into the process, I would say the IPA method changes your amphetamine to methamphetamine - which may not be so lucky. As I said, this is without going too deep into the process, but there is quite a good post on the board. I'll link later if I can find it
And yes, you've done it right.. However, many people prefer to pour the amphetamine into the coffee filter and just pour the acetone over it.. It's somewhat easier, and somewhat easier to control - but the principle is the same
Nice to hear from people who actually clean their stuff, and not just cram anything into their heads
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The shit
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:43
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Joined: 30 Jul 2008 16:19 Posts: 273 Geographical location: On the silver plate with flag in Highroller wrote: Nice to hear from people who are actually cleaning their stuff, and not just stuffing anything into their heads
You just have to keep in mind that other active substances are not filtered out. Which are also unfortunate to consume. But of course, nasty waste.. add
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 23 Feb 2011 20:54
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Hehe, well of course Ens amf will never be 100% pure amphetamine, but it's good to see people at least doing what they can
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 08:46
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Found the topic I was talking about before (Would prefer not to just quote from there, as you should read the whole thing!) Cleansing of amf
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BlackSnog
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:07
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Highroller wrote: There are some guides in here that relate to IPA.. Without going too deep into the process, I would say the IPA method changes your amphetamine to methamphetamine -
Oh what? It makes no sense that the IPA should change the amphetamine to meth. Do you have a link?
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High rollers
Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:30
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Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 24 Feb 2011 12:56
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Highroller wrote: Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
It's quite a long thread. Can see that meth is mentioned a few times, but nowhere that the amphe turns into meth.
However, there is talk somewhere that a given method is suitable for purifying methamphetamine but possibly not amphetamine.
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 25 Feb 2011 00:24
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Highroller wrote: Have the link The guide they talk about, which relates to IPA, recrystallizes the amphetamine to methamphetamine.. At least that's how I understood the thread..
In that case, you have misunderstood the thread... If amphetamine was to be converted to methamphetamine, it was synthesis, not purification.
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 25 Feb 2011 06:49
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Then I looked through the thread.
Yeti wrote: I will allow myself to question KenIshii's method. The sulfate salt of amphetamine (which is what you always get) is very slightly soluble in IPA, boiling or not, so I doubt it can be done the way he describes it. It looks to me like a method for purifying methamphetamine.HCl (where the method works fine), but I don't believe it is suitable for ordinary amphetamine sulfate.
KenIshii wrote: Don't fuckin' argue with me, I know everything and have a huge dick, yadeyadeyade
No, kidding aside...
Yeti is probably right about me confusing it with meth.hcl cleansing. When I think about it, I don't remember seeing amf.sulphate dissolved in the dual solvent system with my own eyes, so it's probably my brain that's misremembering.
This is what I was alluding to, and yes, I had just forgotten it was not about a synthesis, but a purification - it is of course quite important (Note to self: D'oh!). But anyway the point was that IPA was used for purification of methamphetamine, and will not be very effective for purification of regular amphetamine. I must have been a bit behind when I wrote the post, because after reading the topic I linked to again, I really have no idea how I could have KenIshii's post misunderstood so badly.. My bad
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Title: Re: Amphetamine acetone wash: 26 Feb 2011 09:41
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What is meant is that this method with dual solvent (or 2 nonpolar liquids) for recrystallization of methylamphetamine does not work on Amphetamine SO4, on the contrary it is incorrect and completely wrong. I believe that there must be some really old posts in that search engine if you search under the user dextrose, where he says that he has recrystallized amphetamine SO4 with just ipa and acetone and even that with quite fine results.
Think the mixing ratios are 1ml ipa to 3ml acetone. It must be a 100% pure Isopropanol, not isopropyl alcohol from Matas, it contains too much water and the boiling point is unknown. Isopropanol boils at 82 degrees. The acetone used must be a lukewarm anhydrous acetone. When the ipa boils, pour 3 times as much lukewarm acetone as you have ipa in. That 's why it's really smart to invest in a small 500ml or smaller Erhlenmeyer flask in pyrex or borosilicate to have standing in the water bath, as there are ml measures on the side an Erhlenmeyer flask. In order for the temperature not to drop too quickly, it is important that the acetone is lukewarm when you put it in the boiling ipa, therefore put a piece of plastic around the opening of the bottle of acetone and an elastic band around the lid and put the bottle with acetone into a wash tub with hot water until it needs to be used, when the acetone has been added, remove the flask and insert a rubber stopper and place the flask in a warm room (minimum 25 degrees) again so that the temperature inside the bottle can drop slowly when the temperature in the bottle has reached room temperature, put the flask in the fridge for approx. 1 hour's time and then put it in the freezer for 12 hours, the crystals should very much have emerged by now. The crystals are then collected in a coffee filter and you can collect the rest of the liquid to the municipal chemistry in a brown medicine bottle.
But the one with amphetamine sulfate is supposed to turn into meth from lying in the ipa, it is completely open and shit in Amphetamine can well become to meth but it requires, as No Name says, the cunning of a synthesis. Of course, this assumes you have pure amphetamine in the first place, but let's just pretend you do and you want to spice it up a bit. The difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine is the addition of a single methyl group (CH 3 ) to the amino group sticking out in the middle of a carbon atom in the chain. Fortunately, amines are replaced very simply. By vaporizing your amine (your amphetamine) with a lot of vaporized chloromethane (CH 3 Cl, a solvent), and some gaseous pyridine ... voila, that amino group takes the methyl from the chloromethane and lets a hydrogen molecule disappear. The hydrogen joins liberated chlorine, and the resulting HCl is soaked up with pyridine. Pyridine is optional. Adding it drives the reaction a little bit by pulling the excess HCl out of the mass, but it's not necessary.
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 26 feb 2011 12:32
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Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 26 feb 2011 14:21
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Mark: har du selv prøvet at bruge IPA til omkrystallisering af amfetaminsulfat?
Jeg ved med sikkerhed at Dex aldrig havde held med at omkrystallisere amf i IPA.
Der er ingen planet B.
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Mark skrev: Forskellen mellem amfetamin og metamfetamin er tilføjelsen af en enkelt methyl gruppe (CH 3 ) til aminogruppen stikker ud midt i et kulstofatom i kæden. Heldigvis erstattes aminer meget simpelt. Ved at fordampe din amin (din amfetamin) med en masse fordampede chlormethan (CH 3 Cl, et opløsningsmiddel), og nogle gasformige pyridin ... voila, den aminogruppen tager methyl fra chlormethan og lader en brint molekyle forsvinde. Brinten tiltræder befriet klor, og den deraf følgende HCl er gennemblødt op af pyridin. Pyridin er valgfrit. Tilføjelsen af det driver reaktionen en lille smule ved at trække det overskydende HCl ud af massen, men det er ikke nødvendigt.
Tror bare det kører i møglavt udbytte desværre. Det ret er svært at styre, at du ikke får dannet den tertiære amin eller det kvarternære salt ved den procedure. Jo flere alkylgrupper, du har på din amin, jo mere reaktiv vil den være. Så man vil ofte ende ud i en kæmpe blanding af produkter. Hvis man sku lave meth udfra amfetamin, var reduktiv alkylering med formaldehyd måske en bedre idé. Det er lidt nemmere at styre, man ikke får så meget af den tertiære amin.
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Mark
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 01:31
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Tilmeldt: 17 feb 2002 02:01 Indlæg: 128 Geografisk sted: Køgeomegn
Kan ikke med sikkerhed sige det Yeti kan huske noget om en rekrystallisering der virkede men det ikke helt rigtigt det jeg skrev sidst fordi ! et gram ren amfetamin SO4 skulle først kunne opløses i 500ml ipa det meget hvis man vil rekrystallisere store mængder med ipa altså en halv liter pr gram så det skal være noget af en beaker til hvis der også skal kunne værre 1500ml acetone i pr gr hvis det skal passe med det du nævnte engang Yeti med at målestokken er 3 til 1 i forhold til acetone og ipa nu siger jeg måske noget helt hen i vejret men tror man kunne nøjes med mindre mængder hvis man brugte diethylether/æter istedet for acetone det er bare svært at skaffe nu til dags og hvis man brugte methanol istedet for ipa kunne man nok også nøjes med en hel del mindre væske en de 500ml pr gram det er mit bedste bud på en vellykket rekrystalisering til større partier men hey ret mig endelig hvis jeg tager fejl
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TicTac
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 09:15
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Tilmeldt: 23 apr 2009 14:50 Indlæg: 323 Geografisk sted: Du fanger mig aldrig :p
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TATP
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 14:56
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Tilmeldt: 20 maj 2002 01:01 Indlæg: 1410 Geografisk sted: Wiggie Mark skrev: et gram ren amfetamin SO4 skulle først kunne opløses i 500ml ipa det meget hvis man vil rekrystallisere store mængder med ipa altså en halv liter pr gram
det er ikke korrekt. 1g amfetaminsulfat kan opløses i 500g (gram, ikke ml. dvs. 500g/0,789g/ml = ~633ml) ETHANOL, ikke ipa. IPA er betydeligt dårligere til at indeholde salte end ethanol, så der skal formodentlig op mod en liter kogende ipa, til at opløse 1g amfetaminsulfat
derudover har Sortsnog ret - kogende ipa skal holdes udendøre, eller med GOD udsugning. ipa-dampe forårsager let eksplosions agtige brænde, i stil med ether.
methanol vil være et bedre bud på en alkohol, der er til at omkrystallisere amfetaminsulfat fra
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Mark
Titel: Re: Amfetamin acetone vask: 03 mar 2011 23:23
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Tilmeldt: 17 feb 2002 02:01 Indlæg: 128 Geografisk sted: Køgeomegn
Det er det jeg siger visse mennesker er fødte slyngler og har styr på den slags Eller bare om sidder begyndt at lave deres lektier helt klart methanol kan også skaffes sådan forholdshvis nemt
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