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Consider restoring v1 JP glyphs that are part of Adobe-Japan1 #186

Open Marcus98T opened 1 year ago

Marcus98T commented 1 year ago

I checked through the removed JP glyphs and a good amount of them are part of Adobe-Japan1-6. There were some issues reported before, and I’ve reported some of them as well, but I realized this is much worse than I thought. So I made a table below for Adobe to consider restoring the v1 JP glyphs, and a comparison gif file of the affected glyphs.

ShSerifJPv1v2Diff

I will not be asking to restore all of them. There are a few of those in the table that might actually be renamed glyphs so they may look almost identical.

I understand some of them are removed either because the CN glyph is better designed or that it’s for balancing and consistency, but unfortunately, a good amount of glyphs now look a bit worse because they use CN by default, especially those with the 心 component.

Unicode Character Restore JP glyph? Replace CN Glyph? Notes
U+47E6 No - The JP glyph that is closest to Kozuka Mincho was somehow renamed to uni47E6-CN, whereas a separate CN glyph in v1 was removed. Suggest to rename it back to uni47E6-JP
U+4E0B No - CN looks better
U+4F53 Yes Yes  
U+4F8D Yes Yes  
U+50FE Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+5146 Yes Yes  
U+5174 Yes Yes  
U+5208 No, but adjust - Adjust CN glyph instead to make the drop stroke in the left X component a bit lower. It has to be in between the v1 JP glyph and the CN glyph as a compromise
U+5261 Yes Yes  
U+529F Yes Yes  
U+5357 Yes Yes  
U+535C No, but adjust - Maybe move the CN glyph a bit to the left instead
U+53CC Yes Yes  
U+53E3 No - CN looks better
U+540A No - CN looks better
U+548C Yes Yes  
U+5515 Yes Yes  
U+5549 Yes Yes  
U+5556 Yes Yes  
U+557E Yes Yes  
U+55C4 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+55E3 Yes Yes In issues #130 and #156
U+5608 Yes Yes  
U+56A0 Yes No In issue #174
U+56A7 Yes Yes  
U+56DE Yes Yes  
U+5728 Yes, and adjust Yes Maybe remove the extra detail from the left part as circled when restoring the JP glyph
Screenshot 2023-04-27 at 17 39 24
U+5893 Yes Yes  
U+58DA Yes Yes  
U+590F Yes Yes In issue #158
U+5961 Yes Yes  
U+5C65 Yes Yes In issue #158
U+5DDB No - Looks the same, only uni5DDB-CN is kept in v2
U+5E1B No - CN looks better
U+5E55 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+5F53 Yes Yes  
U+5F85 No - CN looks better
U+5F92 No - CN looks better
U+5F97 No - CN looks better
U+6041 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6043 Yes Yes  
U+6077 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+607F Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+60E0 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+60E5 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+60F3 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+60F9 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6100 Yes Yes  
U+6106 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+610E Yes Yes In issue #158
U+611A Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6121 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6142 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6155 Yes Yes  
U+616C No - v1 was following extended Shinjitai, for which it should not be according to JIS standards
U+617D Yes Yes   
U+61A5 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+61BC Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+61CB Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6234 Yes Yes  
U+624C No - Looks almost the same (position slightly differed between v1 JP and v1 CN), but only uni624C-CN was kept
U+6311 Yes Yes  
U+6349 Yes Yes  
U+638C Yes Yes  
U+63F4 Yes Yes  
U+6491 Yes Yes  
U+64CE Yes Yes  
U+65E6 No - CN looks better
U+6627 Yes Yes  
U+6696 Yes Yes  
U+66AE Yes Yes  
U+66B4 Yes Yes  
U+6728 No - CN looks better
U+6756 Yes Yes  
U+6843 Yes Yes  
U+6853 Yes Yes  
U+6881 No - CN looks better
U+68CF No, but adjust - CN looks better, but adjust the 木 radical to follow JP-designed ones
U+6A0C Yes No In issue #174
U+6A3A Yes No Regional difference in 華 component, bottommost stroke longer in CN than in JP
U+6A50 Yes, and adjust Yes There should be no top decoration in the bottom 木 component when restoring the JP glyph
Screenshot 2023-04-27 at 17 42 30
U+6ACC Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6AD6 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6AE8 Yes Yes  
U+6BAC Yes No Supplemental to issue #176
U+6BDB Yes Yes  
U+6BEF Yes Yes  
U+6C88 Yes Yes In issues #148 and #156
U+6C9B No - ~Regional difference: CN is 巿 (where the vertical stroke cuts straight through the other strokes as one stroke), JP is 市~
Late correction: Adobe should not restore this glyph, see this issue as the current glyph follows etymology.
U+6D7C Yes Yes  
U+6D8A Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+6DC2 Yes, and adjust Yes JP looks better, but there should be no top decoration in the bottom 寸 component when restoring the JP glyph
Screenshot 2023-04-27 at 22 01 31
U+6E2B Yes No JP cannot accept CN-Song-style in 世 component
U+6E7F 湿 No - CN looks better
U+6FCA Yes Yes The 歲 component is already made consistent by using the KR glyph for JP, do not change. Details here.
EDIT: Might need to post a separate issue about the 歲 component, but for now, the restoring of the v1 JP glyph only applies to CN/TW/HK.
U+7164 Yes Yes  
U+7184 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+72AD No - Better to keep the radical on the left side, also not much design difference between JP and CN anyway
U+7430 No - v1 JP glyph nearly identical to CN glyph except as circled in the ExtraLight weight. Maybe keep CN.
Screenshot 2023-07-18 at 02 59 41
U+74A6 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+7684 No - CN looks better
U+76A7 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+7708 Yes Yes In issues #148 and #156
U+77A0 Yes Yes  
U+77B1 Yes No Regional difference in 華 component, bottommost stroke longer in CN than in JP
U+7935 Yes No Regional difference in top 雨 component, CN does not have serifs in short horizontal strokes
U+79CB Yes Yes  
U+7A57 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+7B14 Yes Yes  
U+7B1B No - Looks the same, only uni7B1B-CN is kept in v2
U+7B45 Yes Yes  
U+7B4F No - Looks the same, only uni7B4F-CN is kept in v2
U+7C34 Yes Yes  
U+7C56 No - ~The 韭 part at the bottom left should connect like in v2 CN when restoring the JP glyph.~
EDIT: I checked that the glyph was likely adjusted for regional compatibility in v2. Do not restore for now.
U+7C89 Yes No JP cannot accept CN-Song-style in 分 component
U+8004 Yes Yes  
U+800C Yes Yes In issues #130 and #156
U+8010 Yes Yes In issues #130 and #156
U+8179 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+832C Yes, and adjust Yes Maybe remove the extra detail from the left part as circled when restoring the JP glyph
Screenshot 2023-04-27 at 17 39 24
U+8478 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+864D No - CN looks better
U+8700 Yes Yes  
U+8785 Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+8788 Yes Yes  
U+87BD Yes Yes  
U+87CB Yes Yes Unify the 心 component to JP
U+8986 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+8D70 Yes Yes  
U+8D85 Yes Yes  
U+8E59 Yes Yes  
U+90EF Yes Yes  
U+918B No - CN looks better
U+99A5 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+9A5D Yes Yes There should be no top decoration in the bottom 木 component when restoring the JP glyph
Screenshot 2023-04-27 at 21 58 43
U+9EA6 Yes Yes Supplemental to issue #158
U+9EE0 Yes Yes  

UPDATE 2023-08-18: 岸 (U+5CB8) is resolved in Serif v2.002, so I will remove its entry from the table.