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adobe-fonts / source-sans

Sans serif font family for user interface environments
https://adobe-fonts.github.io/source-sans
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Fonts Name Change: ❛Source Sans Pro❜ to become ❛Source Sans 3❜ #192

Closed pauldhunt closed 3 years ago

pauldhunt commented 4 years ago

This note is to give a heads up to Source Sans users that the next updated version of the fonts changes the font names to reflect the major version number. This will lead to backward compatibility issues for older implementations. If you use the most up-to-date improvements in the new version, you will need to update your references to reflect this name change.

dmcknight26 commented 4 years ago

Any idea when the release will be out?

fitojb commented 4 years ago

Well, I guess this means the end of LibreOffice’s bundling (and automatic upgrading) of the Source font families. It’s easier to just let users find them on their own and avoid situations where we upgrade them in a new release and suddenly their documents break, and blame the project for it. This is such a silly move that I can’t wrap my head around it. Why is there a Version field, then? It’s as if “2020” were an official part of the trademarked “Adobe InDesign” name. Fonts may be software but this crosses the line. “Pro” was perfectly fine in its ambiguousness—its scope is mostly meaningless for end users and, thus, acceptable for stable naming!

pauldhunt commented 4 years ago

Source Sans 3 version 3.028 is out now.

SL-Lee commented 4 years ago

Please revert this change. Font names are not meant to be used for versioning, and as @fitojb already mentioned, that's what the version field is for. Having to update every setting across multiple applications where "Source Sans Pro" is used is a huge hassle, and this amount of effort just for a breaking font name change should be unnecessary.

elcste commented 4 years ago

I've also found that some applications don't seem to be able to handle a font with a number in the name.

Clearly neither of these are Source Sans's bug – and they also seem to happen with a font with punctuation in the name, like "M+ 1c" ­– but they never came up with the name "Source Sans Pro". I reported the Chrome issue, and it was fixed in version 88, but who knows what other programs out there have this kind of of problem. Because of this, I'd even prefer the name "Source Sans", but reverting to "Source Sans Pro" is still my preference as well.

twardoch commented 4 years ago

If the font changes metrics or the design changes visibly, then a change in the name should indeed happen. Otherwise existing documents reflow, which is bad for many users.

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Please revert this change. Font names are not meant to be used for versioning, and as @fitojb https://github.com/fitojb already mentioned, that's what the version field is for. Having to update every setting across multiple applications where "Source Sans Pro" is used is a huge hassle, and this amount of effort just for a breaking font name change should be unnecessary.

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SL-Lee commented 4 years ago

@twardoch As far as I can tell, the main driving force for the renaming of "Source Sans Pro" to "Source Sans 3" was not due to change in the metrics, nor was it due to a considerable change in design[1]. Rather, it was because of converting the UFO masters to version 3, which seems more like a developer-oriented change than anything else. To the end-user, this is meaningless anyway — most of them will not even know how fonts are built. Thus, I still believe that the change in the font name will do more harm than good to the end-user, as this font name change will require end-users to update every setting where "Source Sans Pro" was used (as mentioned earlier).

[1]: If this is the reasoning for a change in the font name, then what about Roboto? Roboto underwent a major design overhaul in 2014, which certainly fits your guidelines of changed font metrics and font design, but Google stuck with the name "Roboto". There isn't any "Roboto 2" or whatsoever.

kiwi0fruit commented 4 years ago

@pauldhunt But why this name change?

kiwi0fruit commented 4 years ago

By the way on Adobe site there is only "Source Sans" font: https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/source-sans (without "Pro"). Same is for Serif and Code.

UPD: font family names are still with Pro. Same is with STIX Two that has Two only in the font family name but neither in the webpage URL nor in the title.

beschulz commented 3 years ago

What a PITA!

dixius99 commented 3 years ago

Isn't Source Serif Pro on version 3, and it's name didn't change? At very least this seems really inconsistent. I now have Source Code Pro, Source Serif Pro, and Source Sans 3.

(please don't interpret this comment as a request to change the name of Source Serif Pro)

timc3 commented 3 years ago

Is it a different font to Source Sans Pro? This is ridiculous.

dixius99 commented 3 years ago

Just an update that Source Serif Pro has been renamed to Source Serif 4. So my comment above is no longer valid.

We now have Source Serif 4, Source Sans 3, and Source Code Pro.

pauldhunt commented 3 years ago

@timc3 a font is a piece of software and as the software is quite different from the previous major version, there is no reason not to reflect this in the name of the software. Software is not always backward compatible and backward compatibility is not something I want to be held accountable for with this project, hence the break in continuity with the software name.