Request to add new output file for SAFE exec table

[Cole-Monnahan-NOAA]

I'd like to see a single, simple file produced that contains the information needed in the executive table in the SAFEs. Something that would be easy to open in Excel or transfer to a markdown format. I know some people use complicated R functions to read and parse the output files, and some people open them manually and copy/paste into Excel.

I think doing it inside proj has several advantages. Off the top of my head (1) less work for analysts during crunch time; (2) less chance of copy paste errors or grabbing the wrong value.

@jimianelli-NOAA Is this feasible? I know there's a lot of other stuff proj does that could interfere with something like this. @mkapur-noaa also showed an interest in this. We could help develop and/or test it.

[mkapur-noaa]

Yes, I would give this a +1. IIRC, we have a postdoc (Mathieu?) who is working to update Proj into TMB, and I imagine he could automate some of the output materials via REPORT (or post-hoc within R). Definitely agree that reading and parsing the .txt file that comes out of Proj currently can lead to transcription errors (happened to me this cycle!). MK

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 4:59 PM Cole Monnahan @.***> wrote:

I'd like to see a single, simple file produced that contains the information needed in the executive table in the SAFEs. Something that would be easy to open in Excel or transfer to a markdown format. I know some people use complicated R functions to read and parse the output files, and some people open them manually and copy/paste into Excel.

I think doing it inside proj has several advantages. Off the top of my head (1) less work for analysts during crunch time; (2) less chance of copy paste errors or grabbing the wrong value.

@jimianelli-NOAA https://github.com/jimianelli-NOAA Is this feasible? I know there's a lot of other stuff proj does that could interfere with something like this. @mkapur-noaa https://github.com/mkapur-noaa also showed an interest in this. We could help develop and/or test it.

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[jimianelli]

sorry for delays in responding to this, I agree but there are a couple of issues:

1. The ABCs and OFLs that get enacted may differ from recommendations (it's not a simple copy from previous year's assessment necessarily)
2. I've made a repo now for Plan Team and author's purposes that has all the historical ABCs and OFLs that have appeared in the Federal Register, linking that in would be a good approach; also would be useful for making/updating the tables of TACs, OFLs, ABCs (but doesn't have official total catches) https://github.com/afsc-assessments/gf_specs
3. The https://github.com/afsc-assessments/sara could also be useful, or be part of the post-assessment process.

[Cole-Monnahan-NOAA]

I'm only talking about the two columns from this year's proj output, not the previous. I feel like the latter is a different question. I maintain that chasing down individual components of the table from different proj output files is ripe for copy/paste or mistakes.

[jimianelli-NOAA]

yea, I did put Tier_3_table in the spmR package, but needs testing. it should do it already.

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I'm only talking about the two columns from this year's proj output, not the previous. I feel like the latter is a different question. I maintain that chasing down individual components of the table from different proj output files is ripe for copy/paste or mistakes.

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[BenWilliams-NOAA]

here is a "draft" version i've been working on https://github.com/ben-williams/safe_tbl

just need to have proj output placed in the "correct" format

[Cole-Monnahan-NOAA]

Why not have proj write it? Not everyone will use the R package.

[BenWilliams-NOAA]

that would be great! output could be used with many methods easily - you should update proj and i'll wrap it in a package for R users

[Cole-Monnahan-NOAA]

Is there going to be an R package for proj itself? Kinda makes sense to put some of this functionality along with the ADMB code.

[jimianelli]

Yes! Starting touches already happening

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Is there going to be an R package for proj itself? Kinda makes sense to put some of this functionality along with the ADMB code.

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[BenWilliams-NOAA]

I have one started up locally. brought up a number of framework questions for me. would also be easy to roll the AK_Scenarios_For_SS script that Steve has worked up into a package.

Also my info was based on the AK-projection-simulation repo, I'm guessing this repo usurps that?

[jimianelli-NOAA]

Thanks Ben,

Same repo, just renamed, wonder if that breaks things?!?

Great idear.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:40 AM Ben Williams @.***> wrote:

I have one started up locally. brought up a number of framework questions for me. would also be easy to roll the AK_Scenarios_For_SS script that Steve has worked up into a package.

Also my info was based on the AK-projection-simulation repo, I'm guessing this repo usurps that?

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[jimianelli]

guess prematurely closed