Actor Rigging Issues

[ak2yny]

Reports by UltraMegaMagnus

Playable:

• [ ] Many fixes needed for models with bad normals.
• [ ] Many fixes needed for models with bad fingers (too spread out). Can be fixed with actorConverter.
• [x] MrK plans to fix Thor (Ultimate, feet are not smooth), Captain America (Ultimate, r thigh).
• [ ] All characters with cape could use a better rigging to avoid clipping, but difficult to deal with.
• [ ] Nick Fury: All of his skins have finger issues akin to Elektra (when fist are closed), I forgot how I fixed this for Elektra (if it was a rigging or fingers being too spread out).
• [ ] Nick Fury: Clipping between left arm & left strap. Probably can't be fixed without causing other oddity.
• [ ] Doctor Strange - Royal Seer: There is still some issue with the cape.
• [ ] Doctor Strange - Blue Mage: has a cape defect on the top side of it which is visible when standing still. (thanks metal venger1)
• [ ] Doom - Classic
  • [ ] The cape has defects on each side so you can see the cape sort of sharpen out on the upper side and his arms become visible when running (elbows stick out of his cape). (thanks metal venger1)
  • [ ] The knee and ankle cylinders (which resemble the joint discs) are not smooth.
• [ ] Thor - classic: just needs cape animations which could be taken from beta ray bill (thanks metal venger1)
• [ ] Thor - Asgardian Armor: the same situation as Thor classic (thanks metal venger1)
• [ ] Spider-Woman - Skin 3: Wings looking a bit odd. Looks difficult to rig.
• [ ] Thor: Some skin don't have the hammer perfectly positioned to avoid clipping during blocking animation. Impossible to fix for Ultimate Thor, because hammer is too short. Unless we make the hammer longer, but that will denaturate the hammer design?
• [ ] Moon Knight: Bad cape rigging everywhere, when running. UMM finds this too difficult to fix.
• [ ] Iceman Spiky: head rigging issue
• [ ] Luke Cage New Avengers (1st skin): needs closer MUA skeketon
• [ ] DLC characters with better rigging fix by using nikita488's actorConverter.
  • [ ] Magneto
  • [ ] Hulk
  • [ ] Sabertooth
  • [ ] Doctor Doom (new, see above and https://github.com/ak2yny/Official-Character-Pack-v2-for-Ultimate-Alliance/issues/28#issuecomment-1678681199)

NPC:

• [ ] Mephisto: Small deformation on left upper arm. I forgot where exactly, must check playthrough, not very noticeable.
• [ ] Office Worker: as reported by Enchlore. forgot what it was about, maybe already fixed.
• [x] Neutron: Wasted meshsmooth.
• [ ] Ymir: has blocky legs

[UltraMegaMagnus]

EDIT:I tested with Venom export, even with OG skins, the arms or clavicules move slightly during menu_action. Venom & his tongue are done. With nikita's tools, I think it will be better to convert again the Gold skins, and maybe the PSP to have 100% accurate skeletons. I thought of using directly Gold files (or actually anything crashing Alchemy 5 during opening?), but maybe they can cause crash during alt-tab as observed with Venom's tongue actor.

[ak2yny]

I remember that you fixed some rigging or the OG skins. Or is my memory playing tricks with me?

I believe that IGB files that ran through Alchemy 5 are fine in MUA. Venom's animations never went trough Alchemy 5.

[ak2yny]

Can anyone test if the crash is fixed with this file: venom_tongue.zip?

[JordanLeich]

Tested, no crashes with this https://github.com/ak2yny/Official-Character-Pack-v2-for-Ultimate-Alliance/commit/98b8181e8268f5cacc485dd09b4ca78bd75f5ead

[UltraMegaMagnus]

I remember that you fixed some rigging or the OG skins. Or is my memory playing tricks with me?

I believe that IGB files that ran through Alchemy 5 are fine in MUA. Venom's animations never went trough Alchemy 5.

Yep, mainly to re-apply bump textures matching what MUA 2006 wants, it was the only way I thought at the time to change bump to fix the advanced lightning by rigging from scratch, but if skeleton is not matching perfectly MUA skeleton, we can see bones difference sometimes in game, clavicules enlarging, or moving.

[ak2yny]

I worked with MUA animations, and I found that the skeleton in animations can be changed through the animation mixer. However, the character animations (e.g. 176_venom.igb) match the original character skin skeleton and should probably be left alone. If you use the animation mixer without any manual changes, you'll use the default skeleton (from fightstyle_default) which will change the set to use the skeleton that the common animations use. The original animations with a skeleton matching the original skin, sometimes have bad transitions to common animations, since they are made for different skeletons. I haven't seen major issues with original characters.

[ak2yny]

Jayglass made a new rig for Doom Classic, which looks nice but hasn't properly been tested, yet. https://discord.com/channels/449510825385000960/601372940440829954/1140931366440153208