Open martintoreilly opened 4 years ago
Key points from initial email exchange between Martin O and Nik H on 19 Oct 2020:
Original ethic approval for the "emergency department triage app" projects relies on unconsented patient data access for analysis used to improve patient care. other uses fall under "secondary use" and would not be covered by the triage project's ethics approval and therefore require a lengthy separate ethics approval process at the NHS Trust.
Nik thinks that being able to evaluate how effectively synthetic data could be used to train the triage app would be analysis that would have a direct improvement to the triage app and so fall under the scope of their existing project approval.
Work on synthetic data under the existing triage project approval will be restricted to the non-text portion of the patient data. If we want to use the text part, which Nik thinks is very rich and interesting but challenging from our research point of view, he will have to apply to National CAG. Nik is willing to do this, but it will take time. At the moment, I think QUiPP is focussing on non-text data in general, so let's cross this bridge when we come to it and stick with the non-text triage data for now.
The dataset would need to be analysed within a safe haven with no internet access. Nik would like to retain approval rights for granting access to the safe haven to researchers.
Notes from call with Nik H, Martin O, Catherine L, Amber R, Khanisa R on 19 Nov 2020:
@vollmersj has been working on an earlier Turing project with Queens University Hospital (part of the Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust). This project uses emergency department admission data. It arose as a follow up to an initial Data Study Group (DSG) "hack week" at the Turing and most recently Queens have been developing an "emergency department triage app" with Health Foundation funding.
Nik Haliasos at the Trust is keen to collaborate and sees value in being able to use synthetic data in the development of the triage app. This would count as "primary use", which is important as the triage project's existing ethics approval only covers such primary use (i.e. analysis on unconsented patient data that used to improve patient care).