Print out PR list in raid chat.

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This is an ER, not a bug.  Hopefully I'm requesting it in the right place.

It would be nice if we had a simple button that printed out the current raid's 
PR values in raid chat.   
This would allow people to know where they stand for those who don't have 
access to the 
information.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 7 Nov 2009 at 5:17

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If everyone in the raid has the addon, and its setup correctly by the Guild 
Master
(i.e. everyone can see Officers Notes), that problem is solved. Everyone should 
have
EPGP installed then they can see how much an item is going to cost them and 
they can
also see their standings.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 8 Nov 2009 at 12:26

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If everyone can see the Officers Notes, then it defeats the point of calling it 
Officer's Notes. .   Also not everyone 
has the add-on when you are inviting people last minute because of no-shows.    
 Having the ability to print out 
the PR list solves both of these issues. 

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 8 Nov 2009 at 10:36

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Officer notes are used by EPGP to store the EPGP points. The officer notes have 
to be
set so that everyone in the guild can read them, so they can see their points. 
If you
are using the officer notes for something else, then the EPGP addon will not 
work. I
think you need to read the EPGP wiki and setup instructions.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 10 Nov 2009 at 1:34

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http://www.epgpweb.com/help/configuration - watch the video.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 10 Nov 2009 at 1:35

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Original comment by evlogimenos on 2 Dec 2010 at 11:37

• Changed title: Print out PR list in raid chat.
• Added labels: Priority-Low, Type-Enhancement, Usability, Version-6
• Removed labels: Priority-Medium, Type-Defect

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For what it's worth, we are still very much interested in this feature.  Many 
of our raiders do not have EPGP and just trust the raid leaders that they know 
what they are doing.    It would be great if we can return officers notes to 
being for officers and have a feature where we print out in raid chat where 
everyone stands after each boss fight.

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 3 Dec 2010 at 6:07

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Can explain a bit more why these people refuse to install epgp? Why can't you 
establish a "no epgp, no raiding for you" policy?

Original comment by evlogimenos on 3 Dec 2010 at 8:16

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So people don't want to raid if they have a low PR? The point of EPGP is to 
reward people for raiding, or at least turning up for raids and being on 
standby.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2010 at 12:46

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It's not a matter of refusal.   In small guilds, sometimes you have to ask 
people to fill in because of no-shows.  The people you ask aren't necessarily 
raiders.   It' a good way to introduce them to raiding.  Demanding they go 
download EPGP when you are asking them to come along is counter-productive.     
 Really only the raid leader really needs EPGP installed.    

How is printing out the PR list not a useful featuer?  not every guild raids 
the same way.    It would eliminate the requirement of having the officer notes 
visible to non-officers, which I think would be a good thing. 

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2010 at 8:21

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I am not sure I understand. There are two things being discussed here:
1) You want to allow people to raid without EPGP. Presumably they are new to 
raiding. That's ok, let them join the raid and when they ask about loot explain 
to them how it works (whoever needs says need and the master looter gives it to 
the one with highest priority). If they ask further send them to the epgp site.
2) You want to disallow everyone except officers to view officer notes. That 
means you are practically disabling EPGP for everyone except those who can 
award it. This I do not understand. Why is this a good thing?

Original comment by evlogimenos on 5 Dec 2010 at 3:58

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It's a good thing because it returns the officer's note to it's intended 
purpose - a place where officers can make notes on people.  The fact that EPGP 
uses officer's notes to store data is basically a hack.   If you have a feature 
that prints out people's PR in raid chat after distributing loot, you would not 
need to do this. 

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 5 Dec 2010 at 4:08

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Ok I think you misunderstand how this works. EPGP will not stop using officer 
notes in the near future. So if someone does not raid you can use their officer 
note for other reasons. For everyone else if you want EPGP tracked EPGP has 
access to this note. Since you cannot store anything else but EPGP data to the 
notes of people that care about EPGP it makes no sense to disable viewing of 
the notes for them.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 5 Dec 2010 at 4:12

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That is how I understand it to work.  Being able to store EPGP data in addition 
to officer note data is another feature request.  One feature at a time. 

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 5 Dec 2010 at 4:41

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EPGP will not stop using officer notes in the near future. Think that pretty 
much answers it.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 5 Dec 2010 at 11:01

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Aiyah.   Clearly i'm not expressing myself well enough.    I wasn't suggesting 
it stop using Officer's notes.  

This request is to have an option to print out the PR list in raid chat for 
those who do not have EPGP.   As an added bonus, guilds (who want to) could 
then have it so only officers use the EPGP addon because non-officers would 
know their PR every time it was printed out (probably after every boss kill).  
For this second part to work, a second feature request would be for EPGP to use 
the Officer's notes alongside actual Officer notes in the same way it uses the 
Guild Info alongside guild info -- it ignores everything before a certain 
character.     But *this* request is for printing out the PR list, which would 
be useful for any guild for someone coming along who doesn't have EPGP (e.g. a 
last minute add because of raid cancelations).     

To be clear, this is an enhancement request that would make the addon that much 
better, but it's not keeping us from using it obviously.       

Original comment by andrew.k...@gmail.com on 6 Dec 2010 at 3:37

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OK, I understand that. However, if the officers notes only show EPGP numbers, 
and at the moment that's all they can show without messing up everyone's EPGP, 
then limiting the officers notes to officers only is pointless - why should 
people not be able to see their EPGP if they have installed the addon, simply 
because you think officers notes should be for officers only? Even if you could 
get everyone to install the addon (which by the way shows the GP cost of items 
when you link them, another benefit of having the addon installed), limited 
officers notes to officers only would discourage people from installing it.

EPGP uses (and has always used, and probably always will use, since they are 
pretty stable and don't get wiped if your PC crashes) the Officer notes for 
storage. Since thats all the notes can be used for if you use EPGP. hiding them 
is pointless.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 6 Dec 2010 at 11:26