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Use Autry "Object Name" when there's no Title #62

Closed VladimirAlexiev closed 7 years ago

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

http://data.americanartcollaborative.org/page/autry/object/89541 is a bear claw necklace, but has two weird titles: http://data.americanartcollaborative.org/autry/thesauri/title/autrymuseumofwesternheritagebrochure1999 http://data.americanartcollaborative.org/autry/thesauri/title/convergencespringsummer2005

These come from AutryPublications.xlsx. Publications are decidedly not Titles.

I think the current decision is to drop publications. Else, they can be mapped similar to Catalogue Raisonné

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

@mayaram00: Related to #39

AutryIT commented 7 years ago

It would be a pity to drop the publications because they are mapped to WorldCat. How about if we simply drop the title?

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

Right, eg one pub record is

88.108.1    
American genre painting: the politics of everyday life by Elizabeth Johns.  
p. 81   
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/23213978   
ocm23213978

Its home page is http://collections.theautry.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=ocm23213978;type=106, and you can see the related object there. (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/23213978 may be called a home page of the whole book)

@AutryIT: If you look at the above URLs, you'll see there's neither Worldcat nor OCLC numbers. Dropping the object title but keeping the publication title is not an option, it'd just be wrong

The AAC decision was to drop Publications because of lack of time/effort (cc @caknoblock @azaroth42 @workergnome).

kateblanch commented 7 years ago

Where an object has both it's own title and an associated publication title, it is not returning rightly in the browse app validator. Publications need an entirely different data model than the Object Title. @edgartdata helped up map this for a different project using E22_Man_Made_Object - P70i_is_documented_in - E31_Document.

WHat is the best way to clear up this problem? We can drop the Publications file, but should we delete it from GitHub? How do we clear this out of the SPARQL endpoint?

kateblanch commented 7 years ago

Also, why is title text part of the URI? This seems to be mirroring what is wrong with the Credit Line mapping.

@AutryIT and I are talking this over, and it seems like perhaps the text strings were used in the URIs because the items (credit line, title, culture) did not have unique IDs and sometimes multiple items exist per object. Rebecca at the Autry can add IDs to the data to correct this and get to the desired URI pattern (e.g. http://data.thewalters.org/object/10264/title/20961) but data modeling would need to be changed. @caknoblock - can you advise us in part with your student team whether this is possible/necessary?

bsnikhila commented 7 years ago

I have removed the data from the Publications file from the triple store for now. I will add it back once a mapping has been decided for it.

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

Now the object doesn't have a title. (It also doesn't have a creator, please check if there is one in the data)

AutryIT commented 7 years ago

Ready to close, since publications weren't used

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

@AutryIT I checked several of your objects, and none of them have titles in RDF. That's a problem since the browse app wants to show the title.

How do I go from website to RDF: go to http://yasgui.org/short/HJXszbvPW and substitute the website URL in the query

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

I found an object with title, http://data.americanartcollaborative.org/page/autry/object/881084. So I'll change this issue to say that Object Name should also be used

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

There are 193 objects with owner Autry: http://yasgui.org/short/HknwB5tDZ Of them 165 have a title: http://yasgui.org/short/HyELLqFwZ

AutryIT commented 7 years ago

Hi folks, do you need my input on this one? How about this: I will put the object name in the title field wherever we don't have a title when I refresh the data. We can go ahead and close this issue.

VladimirAlexiev commented 7 years ago

@AutryIT Sounds like a plan. But close it only when you see the above objects get a title in RDF. (PS: CCO calls a title derived from the object name "descriptive title")

Cheers!

AutryIT commented 7 years ago

I am using the same field as the title field so as not to add anything new. So I will leave the map as is. I've put the titles in brackets to indicate they are derived.