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New Element: Subtitle #8

Closed ocgineer closed 1 year ago

ocgineer commented 2 years ago

Where does this comes from?

Me

What is the rationale for adding support for this element?

I noticed that there is no element to enter a subtitle of a book in case the book has it or to use it fine-tune titles.

For example, the one that came to mind to use it as, would be the 3 Fairy Tail "Side Story" manga's.

One could set it up as;

I do not know if there are more comics/manga with a potential subtitle but it could be handy for future cases.

gotson commented 2 years ago

This could be easily modelled with the soon-to-be-added TitleSort (see #4).

I don't think there are any producing applications, and i don't see how the consuming applications would make use of this subtitle?

majora2007 commented 2 years ago

I agree, I don't see where this would fit in for consuming applications and using Title or even AlternativeTitle.

lordwelch commented 2 years ago

Well if one is to go off of the current documentation already listed in the repository/website alternate series seems to describe this use-case. Also what happens when there are multiple sub-titles? e.g. Batman: City of Crime: The Deluxe Edition

gotson commented 2 years ago

Well if one is to go off of the current documentation already listed in the repository/website alternate series seems to describe this use-case. Also what happens when there are multiple sub-titles? e.g. Batman: City of Crime: The Deluxe Edition

Actually AlternateSeries is mostly used for crossovers or story arcs.

ocgineer commented 2 years ago

Hmm I always assumed that a sort title is an exact copy of the title but with certain words (depending on the language) moved to the back of the title and nothing more. Actual sorting should be done by the series name and number, regardless of the title no? Also, what about names, usually you sort by Lastname/Firstname but show Firstname/Lastname.

As for the Consuming Applications, it would up to them to implement to show as a smaller text under the title. At the moment I can only refer to epubs but both the Kobo website shows subtitles like that and the Kobo e-reader has subtitle support in the book list overview. On the other hand, not showing the subtitle is also not real problem either.

To be honest I use AlternateSeries -for Manga specific- for a common (fan) names of the often long names the Japanese give to their books titles. E.g. Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? => DanMachi.

I would also use subtitle to say for example Omnibus vol. 1-3, where the title is just vol. 1 (as the next omnibus is numbered vol. 2) as usually older releases are also omnibus. Mahou Sensei Negima! for example has 9 omnibuses and volume 28 to 38. So title wise there is a gap from 9 to 28, but subtitle can supplement than that the first 9 are omnibuses.

Ah well, just an idea that I came up with in case of my Manga collection, I have no other examples yet, but was curious how subtitles would be handles otherwise if American Comics even have them.

gotson commented 2 years ago

maybe we need to clarify something, is this about a book subtitle, or a series subtitle ?

My assumption was that it was about a series, but it seems you indicate that this is about a book.

ocgineer commented 2 years ago

Subtitle of a single book.

Like in my example, the series would be: Fairy Tail Side Story and the book subtitle of v1 would be Twin Dragons of Saber Tooth. Having just Fairy Tail Side Story Vol. 1 as the Title is then sufficient and clear enough, the subtitle just gives more info.

gotson commented 2 years ago

I don't understand.

If the book has a title, why not have the title of the book be Twin Dragons of Saber Tooth instead of Fairy Tail Side Story Vol. 1. The book also has a Number, which in this case would be 1 i assume.

gotson commented 1 year ago

Closing this as there is no real clear requirement.