IRC - Is it still right & tidyup

gundalow commented 5 years ago

Central place to track all the discussions around IRC

Current list of IRC channels: https://github.com/ansible/community/#groups

Moving away from IRC

Where else could we go?
Are their ways of linking IRC & Slack (we tried something though it was ugly, is there something better)

Requirements

CoC
- https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/community/code_of_conduct.html
- Ability to kick people that don't follow it
Ability to run meetings and log

Improving IRC

Logging channels?
Add some other "Group Contacts", 2-3, split timezones, define list internally
~~See if we can take ownership of the other #ansible* channels~~ DONE
~~Network Team to move all discussion to #ansible-network~~ DONE

Where to get feedback

Ask outreach
Once we have a short list, do a survey on ansible-project & ansible-devel

privateip commented 5 years ago

personally i would like to see us move to Gitter due to its nice integration with Github -- https://gitter.im/

irc bridge available at https://irc.gitter.im/

rcarrillocruz commented 5 years ago

I'm intrigued by Matrix ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html ), keep on hearing great things about it, it's open source and great integration. Haven't said that, I have not used, neither Gitter, so I'll better try a few options before taking a side on one another.

privateip commented 5 years ago

i guess if you are going to go there then this should be on the list as well --> https://rocket.chat/

bcoca commented 5 years ago

Matrix can integrate several server platforms into one interface for it's clients as well as multiple client protocols.

Rocket also has IRC client integration but I am not aware of a server one.

sivel commented 5 years ago

+1 IRC (Specifically freenode), -1 All others

abadger commented 5 years ago

There's also tulip. that said, just for getting IRC-slack integration back, the tulip devs recommended I try out matrix. The matrix service seems okay. However, I've yet to find a great, intuitive matrix client (for my phone... also tried out desktop apps to see if it was just phone apps that weren't doing it for me and they weren't great either.)

I still like straight IRC clients above anything else out there so everything else I've tried has really had the ideal goal of "does this make it easier for me to integrate with IRC?"

dagwieers commented 5 years ago

We have a Matrix setup and there are various caveats when you want to use this in production (the quick succession of releases is only one, various implementation problems and a future rewrite only makes this worrisome to build on now). Also, it includes voice/video conferencing and file sharing, and I don't think you can turn some of these off. That said, I like some of the ideas implemented in Matrix and the Android app does work well.

Probably a more reliable alternative is Mattermost, which has all kinds of interfaces (incl. IRC see matterbridge and matterircd) and is Open Source too. And it reflects Slack to some degree (for the better or worst, depending on your perspective with Slack :-))

rcarrillocruz commented 5 years ago

I also heard very good things about Mattermost.

To me, this is my personal criteria:

Open Source
Integration with IRC
Good mobile apps
Stable

If it's Mattermost or Matrix or $solution , those are the things I would like them to have.

decentral1se commented 5 years ago

I've opened Gitter chat rooms for my Github projects and had people turn up and chat a lot more than any other platform at all. Some groups are simply deluged by people. It's just so convenient to get in there and start hammering away. #ansible is already pretty noisy and Ansible is like, world scale, on the level of issues and backlog and the like. I suppose you've all realised that maybe you'll get a shock at how many people turn up if you open up the chat space! :) IRC is definitely a barrier if you're looking to maximise the access. I lean towards https://rocket.chat/ now, which I use for multiple projects and find it really good. It has solid integrations (the Jitsi video one is impressive) and access control lists, admin interfaces, extensibility for bots, etc. It's solid software.

gundalow commented 5 years ago

Hi everybody, Lots of great feedback in here.

Any ideas of what the specific pain points are with IRC, that way we maybe able to address them directly to improve IRC in the short->long term

bcoca commented 5 years ago

lack of emojis is NOT a pain point, it is a FEATURE

jborean93 commented 5 years ago

I think the biggest issue for IRC I've seen is lack of history, I use IRCCloud which keeps it for me but not everyone has the luxury to pay (or wants to use a third party service) for this.

mscherer commented 5 years ago

So, on the slack<->irc interaction, I would point people to the ToS of slack, cause they are kinda super sketchy, and putting a lot of requirements that we wouldn't respect with a bridge (like, the part about age verification, etc). I didn't verify if this changed since last years, but I think it didn't.

tonk commented 5 years ago

I still think IRC could be a very valid channel. But if you really want code-blocks, emoticons and things like that, I would vote Mattermost.

jctanner commented 5 years ago

My vote is to stick to IRC. If the "problems" of irc are outlined, I could be convinced to change my mind.

decentral1se commented 5 years ago

For consideration: https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge

maxamillion commented 5 years ago

Big +1 to stick with irc, preferably staying on Freenode. If for some reason Freenode is the issue, then irccloud.com custom hosted servers as an alternate. In an attempt to stay with irc and "bridge the gap" with those who aren't very familiar with it, we could provide a Web IRC client at https://chat.ansible.com or something (I noticed @lwm suggested one that looks nice).

However, if there's a large draw to move away from it or somehow supplement it then I'd +1 matrix with a suggestion of riot.im as the recommended front end. If there's not much desire for that, then rocket.chat is reasonable.

gundalow commented 5 years ago

In #ansible-community today (2019-02-11) we talked about this and we are looking at Matrix <---> Freenode integration which would allow the same channels to be accessed directly via IRC (no change) or via Matrix.

We are working on some docs for this in https://github.com/ansible/community/pull/441 as part of a limited trial to get feedback.

The Ansible channels have had the channel had the Nickname registration requirement removed, so it Matrix users should be able to join without registering with Nickserver, lowing the bar to entry.

blaisep commented 5 years ago

Dunno if this is old news, there's also a telegram to freenode bridge which the fedora folks set up: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/teleirc-sig/create-new-bot/

HTH Blaise

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In #ansible-community today (2019-02-11) we talked about this and we are looking at Matrix <---> Freenode integration which would allow the same channels to be accessed directly via IRC (no change) or via Matrix.

We are working on some docs for this in #441 https://github.com/ansible/community/pull/441 as part of a limited trial to get feedback.

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AJ-Acevedo commented 3 years ago

This post from @GregSutcliffe about Ansible and Matrix is relevant here.

https://ansible.github.io/community/posts/matrix_and_ansible.html

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