буолуон

[jonorthwash]

What's буолуон mean? Is this a form of буол? If so, how is the suffix {I}{A}н used?

[varie]

Yes, it is form of буол. Closest form I found in Ubryatova book[1] is:

Причастие на -ыах, присоединяя аффиксы принадлежности, образует будущее время изъявительного наклонения: барыаҕым "пойду, поеду" барыаҕыҥ "пойдешь, поедешь" барыаҕа "пойдет, поедет" барыахпыт "пойдем, поедем" барыаххыт "пойдете, поедете" барыахтара "пойдут, поедут"

барыам суоҕа "не пойду, не поеду" барыаҥ суоҕа "не пойдешь, не поедешь" барыа суоҕа "не пойдет, не поедет" барыахпыт суоҕа "не пойдем, не поедем" барыаххыт суоҕа "не пойдете, не поедете" барыахтара суоҕа "не пойдут, не поедут"

Единственное число положительной формы будущего времени в якутском языке имеет параллельно употребляемый фонетически-стяженный вариант: мин барыам, эн барыаҥ, кини барыа.

It might be a contracted form of future tense singular 2 person but with substitution of ҥ by н for some reason.

Also in Wikipedia corpus it is often found as "буолуон сөп" - "может быть" - "might be". 443 out of 606 occurrences of "буолуон" are found as "буолуон сөп". Examples: Ыйааһына 9 киилэттэн 30 киилэҕэ диэри буолуон сөп. - Its weight might be between 9 to 30 kilograms. Онон бу кэлин үөскээбит өйдөбүл буолуон сөп курдук. - That's why it might be a notion which has been created lately.

So it might be some another form, but I couldn't find it in the book.

1. Убрятова Е.И. (ред.). Грамматика современного якутского литературного языка. Том 1. Фонетика и морфология (Часть 1 - Фонетика). М.: Наука, 1982. – 496 с.

[jonorthwash]

Yeah, I couldn't find it in that book either—that's why I opened this issue. Even the best grammars often miss things.

Your comments on this issue so far are really helpful. With a little more info we might be able to categorise the form ourselves.

1. What does "сөп" mean in other contexts?
2. How are some of the other occurrences of "буолуон" in the corpus used? That is, could you gloss some more examples, but ones without "сөп"?
3. Can other verbs occur in the same forms in the same contexts? For example, could you say "барыан сөп", "киириэн сөп", etc.? (Examples?) What about other contexts, like those you found for question 2 above?

[varie]

Nice! :)

1. According to sakhatyla.ru dictionary сөп means:

   • adjective right, correct. сөп санаа - right thought
   • yes, okay. сөп, оҥоруом - okay, I will do it
   • adverb enough сөп улахан - enough big

2. буолуон син - it means basically same as буолуон сөп буолуон иннинэ - before it become so Examples: президент буолуон иннинэ - Before becoming a president Ол буолуон иннинэ сорох экономика услуобуйаларын көннөрүөхтээхтэр - Before it happens they need to fix some economical conditions буолуон наада онон аты бааһырдыбатын диэн ботото халыҥ буолуон наада - therefore to not hurt a horse boto needs to be thick буолуон баҕарар Хас биирдии төрөппүт оҕото «Үчүгэй оҕо» буолуон баҕарар. - Every parent wants that their child is a "good child". буолуон баҕарбыта Университетка үөрэҕин бүтэрэн баран философия учуутала буолуон баҕарбыта да олус ыарахан буолбута. - After graduating from university (she/he) wanted to become a philosophy teacher but it was too difficult. There might be other occurrences also.

3. Yes, it is possible to say "барыан сөп", "киириэн сөп" таҥара үөрэҕин тарҕатыы быдан түргэнник барыан сөп - spreading of religious studies might go much faster олох сайдыы суолугар киириэн сөп - life might enter to road of development It is possible to say "барыан син", "барыан наада", "барыан баҕарар", "барыан баҕарбыта" and "киириэн син", "киириэн наада", "киириэн баҕарар", "киириэн баҕарбыта". Хайдах эмэ эрдэлээн туран детсадка барыан баҕарар оҕоҕо бэйэтэ таҥнарыгар бириэмэ биэрии, кэтэһии оҕо үөрэнэрин лаппа түргэтэтиэн сөп. - Somehow waking up earlier and giving time and waiting a child who wants to go to kindergarten to put on her/his clothes might speed up child's process of learning.

[jonorthwash]

Okay, it looks a lot like a verbal noun suffix. Can forms with this suffix take case or possessive suffixes too?

[varie]

No, I think they cannot. It's not right to say, for example, буолуоны, буолуона, etc.

[jonorthwash]

Cool, then it's either a defective verbal noun (gerund) that takes only <nom> or some sort of "infinitive" (which doesn't mean anything very rigourously defined, in our case). Since some of the other verbal nouns + <dat> are called infinitives in some of the literature, it might be good to avoid the term here (if not altogether).

@ftyers, what do you think?

[jonorthwash]

Also, @varie, is there a negative version of these forms?

[varie]

Yes: буолумуон, кииримиэн, барымыан.

[jonorthwash]

Ah cool. And what do the negative forms look like after verbs ending with various vowels?

[varie]

And what do the negative forms look like after verbs ending with various vowels?

Could you provide some examples, please?

Also, I found in Ubryatova book such sentence: "Айаҥҥа туруон биир хонук иннинэ комсомол тэрилтэтин мунньаҕа буолбута" - There was meeting of komsomol organisation day before he left. And she says that it is genitive case of -ыах participle (туруох) with иннинэ postposition.

[jonorthwash]

And what do the negative forms look like after verbs ending with various vowels?\

Could you provide some examples, please?

So, what do the affirmative and negative of this suffix look like after verbs like диэ, аһаа, төрөө, and ыа?

[varie]

So, what do the affirmative and negative of this suffix look like after verbs like диэ, аһаа, төрөө, and ыа?

I think they would be: диэн - диэмиэн, аһыан - аһыамыан, төрүөн - төрүөмүөн, ыан - ыамымыан

[jonorthwash]

Could you put those in a yaml file?

[varie]

Could you put those in a yaml file?

https://github.com/apertium/apertium-sah/commit/14572f2c240c2f0751cf28f8c8f13fa2f1660c86

[jonorthwash]

All of these forms seem to analyse okay; closing for now.