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Set bounds on Installed Capacity of Seasonal Storage #2707

Open matthiassulzer opened 4 years ago

matthiassulzer commented 4 years ago

Installed Capacities for sys_42_0 - MBS Case Study HQ  seasonal storage with 50MW capacity is not feasible installed capacity

shanshanhsieh commented 4 years ago

@matthiassulzer, how about results from other individual? are they all in the similar range?

matthiassulzer commented 4 years ago

Jep, see plot of the 80_13 multi criteria solution newplot

shanshanhsieh commented 4 years ago

yes, i agree the size is a bit unrealistic as a large scale ATES is normally 10MW. i can see these solutions:

matthiassulzer commented 4 years ago

Dear Shanshan

Thanks for your suggestions. Seasonal storages are usually sized with the following parameters:

Both parameter can be calculated (there are plenty of models available) by knowing the footprint and the depth of the geothermal storage.

Best,

Matthias

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yes, i agree the size is a bit unrealistic as a large scale ATES is normally 10MW. i can see these solutions:

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jimenofonseca commented 4 years ago

Well...Shanshan you could build a new model which defines the size of the seasonal storage as a decision variable for the genetic algorithm.

Check out how we do it for the daily thermal storage for the cooling case. That seems to work well.

I advise to size the seasonal storage as a fraction of the solar potential and waste heat (in case industry, data centers, sewage heat is considerably high). Maybe you can set it to Store between 0% - 70% of the total potential. And let the algorithm just move across those limits inside the code.

Best J

Dr. Jimeno Fonseca Senior Researcher SEC | ETH Zurich

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On 30 Apr 2020, 16:36 +0800, Matthias Sulzer notifications@github.com, wrote:

Dear Shanshan

Thanks for your suggestions. Seasonal storages are usually sized with the following parameters:

Both parameter can be calculated (there are plenty of models available) by knowing the footprint and the depth of the geothermal storage.

Best,

Matthias

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