POLL: 57 vs ESR

[Thorin-Oakenpants]

At this stage I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and go full on 57, as not all changes make it to ESR. I think I can live without the legacy add-ons and quickly find replacements - it may just be a couple of releases of slightly painful testing and waiting, but I think it will quickly catch up - notwithstanding the loss of some add-on functions which can't be replaced.

I do hope some regulars decide to go ESR, so that way we can have feedback on both - not that we can't work out which prefs apply to which, but it sure helps to have a wider test-bed.

Am just curious as to where people think they will go.

:heart: for ESR :+1: for 57

[atomGit]

i'll likely be going the ESR route - too many extensions that can't be ported

at this point i'm keeping a keen eye open for a non-chrome, privacy friendly browser - the only reason i still stick with mozilla is because of the extensions and customization capability - as for the company itself, i have near zero respect anymore

[Gitoffthelawn]

Isn't ESR only going to support "legacy" extensions for the first ESR (and subsequent bugfixes)? IOW, once the next ESR is released, won't it be WebExtensions-only?

[Atavic]

Yes. ESR 52.0 for me. Then it will be Pale-Moon.

[Gitoffthelawn]

People can let Mozilla know their opinions about the future of Firefox here: https://input.mozilla.com

[ghost]

Running FF ESR here (52.2.0 now) because I most likely will not jump to FF 57 when it arrives in November. This way I have the time to build my decision calmly as to what I'll choose at 52ESR's EOL : either make the move to FF "standard" either switch to another default browser, presumably Waterfox or maybe (really "maybe") Pale Moon.

[earthlng]

btw I read somewhere that FF55 will include changes to the profile that are incompatible with earlier versions, meaning that if you want to move to ESR before 57 hits you're likely gonna lose all your bookmarks and/or history (edit: only favicons).

[Gitoffthelawn]

@earthlng If you find a link to that info, please post it. :)

[earthlng]

you don't believe me, eh? :) here you go: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=977177#c78

... It's not possible to downgrade a newly created profile to a previous Firefox version.

I assume this will also be the case for a "migrated" profile, not just "newly created". IDK if history or bookmarks are lost though, maybe it'll keep working but without favicons.

[Gitoffthelawn]

@earthlng Thanks for the link. :)

[earthlng]

@Gitoffthelawn You're welcome. It's now also mentioned here (referring to the same thing I assume)

Breaking profile changes - do not downgrade Firefox and use a profile that has been opened with Firefox 55+.

[ghost]

Jump between Nightly 56, and Firefox 54 here (Only use 54 for Evernote clipping, and when Nightly gets broken). Nightly feels so much faster than 54 that I find it hard to default to 54. I also like the photon UI in 56.

Down to 5 non-WE here - UBlockOrigin, uMatrix, Canvas Blocker, Decentraleyes, HTTPS Everywhere

[Gitoffthelawn]

@stevesharp How does 55 beta compare to 54 release and 56 nightly in regards to performance?

[ghost]

Performance on beta is pretty much the same as 54, other than the initial start up being faster as it is lazy loading tabs. The features in this release of beta aren't the major ones giving performance benefits in Nightly as far as I can tell.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/55.0beta/releasenotes/

Edit: Also running with Servo enabled ( https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2017/07/25/stylo-is-ready-for-community-testing-on-nightly/ ) which is probably helping speed.

[Gitoffthelawn]

@Thorin-Oakenpants Just use userChrome.css and userContent.css. Best performance.

[Gitoffthelawn]

@Thorin-Oakenpants That's what userContent.css is designed for.

[Gitoffthelawn]

Yes, the whole browser storage thing is a true mess. They need to deprecate almost everything and have a single standard that works and is transparent.

[ghost]

@Thorin-Oakenpants the number is variable. At this time I have:

Add-ons: 68 User Scripts: 9 User Styles: 52 (many for per-site cosmetic) Appearance: none Plugins: none Dictionaries: 1 (French because I default FF to English) Custom Buttons: 13 (built with the Custom Buttons FF legacy add-on (not portable to WebExtensions: cries)

Now ain't that nice? I also have 2 cats, 3 dogs and 4 women, a sens of humor (one only) and a tremendous lack of money, LOL!

.

[crssi]

Nah... even when you think you don't have sense of humor, you still have, at least for me. :)

[crssi]

LOL, you have got me again. :) I am learning a lot from you every day. And I will not dare to touch your soapbox again. :) And I am sure you will get dead drunk every week.

[ghost]

Somewhere in between Oscar Wilde and Voltaire, if such a portrait is reliable when drawn from a few words free of our computing topics and obsessions :)

[ghost]

Voltaire and Oscar Wilde had much in common, to what I referred when quickly elaborating on this approach of dry humor...

[...] a form of comedic delivery to contrast with the ridiculousness of the subject matter. The delivery is meant to be blunt, sarcastic, laconic, or apparently unintentional.

The targets of their less dry humor may have been different they nevertheless shared a common approach, such as a blend of sarcasm and kindness. I believe they were both intelligent and romantic, but shy of demonstrating either. It's less with whom you sleep than the way you sleep with.

Sixty-eight add-ons, oh my!

[ArchangeGabriel]

JFYI, support for non-WE addons has been removed in current Nightly.

[Atavic]

Yes, that seems one of the changes.

[crssi]

That FF must be opening for ages. But some are interesting, worth to check. I am down to 15 now.

[crssi]

I am missing one thingy from "FindBar Tweak"... that is markings on the scrollbar. The was another Scrollbar Search Highlighter which is RIP now too.

[crssi]

Integrated search is full of BUGs. They should polish those years ago. :(

[crssi]

What is CTR and which proggy^^ did you use for file comparison? Thank you as always. :smiley:

[Atavic]

Pants, I'm asking how unistalling CTR modifies other files as startupCache.

[Forsaked]

Now 10:9...

[Gitoffthelawn]

We have progressed to 12:9... tension mounts....