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Hindi SNACS (Semantic Network of Adposition and Case Supersenses; Schneider et al., 2018) annotation scheme and guidelines.
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को as dative subject but not a Recipient/Experiencer [various scene roles↝Recipient] #10

Closed aryamanarora closed 4 years ago

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

All these seem to be stretching the limits of Experiencer↝Recipient. Can you experience the passage of time? lots of work => experience of being busy?

Sentences from https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/handle/2152/41448/Hindi_Ko.pdf?sequence=2 btw

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

8 actually may be under this.

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

मेरे दोस्त को अपनी भेड़ लेकर गए छः साल हो चुके हैं I-GEN friend DAT self-GEN sheep take-CONJ go-PRF six years be pass-PRF be-PRS Six years have passed since my friend, taking his sheep, went away.

It's perfectly native but it makes no sense that that is DAT! But yes this is in fact a dative subject who is experiencing the passage of time.

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

After thinking about the "It took me time/Time passed to me" type sentences, those are Theme↝Recipient. Theme because the predicate indicates the passage of time (which has the precedent of Theme in the English guidelines, e.g. my life) and Recipient because it is a dative subject.


However, there are still issues that remain in regards to the non-Recipient-y possessive constructions, such as the first two examples in the top post.

Another example:

लोगों को यह जानने का हक़ है। people-OBL DAT this know-OBL GEN right be-PRS People have the right to know this.

From UD query for _ <nsubj _ >case को (dative subjects). So it seems को can further mark some instances of abstract possession? It seems like "right", "work" are treated semantically the same way as "need", "want" as something being experienced.

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

_ <nsubj NOUN >case को

अमेरिका को ऐतराज़ नहीं है। America DAT objection not be-PRS America has no objection.

दलों को कोई शिकायत है। parties DAT some complaint be-PRS The parties have some kind of complaint.

माँग को कांग्रेस का समर्थन है। demand DAT Congress GEN support be-PRS The demand has the Congress party's support.

दम्पति को कोई संतान नहीं थी। couple DAT any offspring not be-PRS The couple did not have any children.

aryamanarora commented 4 years ago

Here is what I have decided, having looked at Khan (2009)'s discussion of historical dative possession in Old Hindi/Urdu and Arora and Subbarao (2004)'s discussion of the dative in Dakkhini: