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Hire a Finance Admin Assistant #335

Closed jdswinbank closed 5 months ago

jdswinbank commented 1 year ago

The Finance Committee thinks we can benefit from an admin assistant.

Responsibilities

Ideal qualifications

Estimated Maximum Budget:

$600/month = $7200/year

We propose to invite Ana Gabela to take up this role on a trial basis.

kelle commented 1 year ago

Invoices should be sent to the Moore project on open collective and will be charged to the project-admin budget line.

jdswinbank commented 1 year ago

Ana will work for a flat-rate of $600 month, rather than charging per hour. The Finance Committee agree that this is a good approach.

We propose to check in after three months from the start of any contract to see how the work is progressing and if everybody is happy with this arrangement.

pllim commented 1 year ago

Is Ana Gabela from NumFOCUS?

hamogu commented 1 year ago

I remember writing down a document on how much funding can be approved by the finance committee and at what level Coco participation or community involvement (our internal proposal process) is needed. Unfortunately, I can't find that now - maybe it's a draft that we never merged.

Anyway, as a matter of process, I think trying out an admin for 3 month is OK, but an annual contract is 7200 $/yr - more than some of the funding proposals the community voted on in the last round. This indicates that it might be better to have a contract of this range put to a vote by the community in the next round instead of just deciding in the finance committee.

jdswinbank commented 1 year ago

@pllim:

Is Ana Gabela from NumFOCUS?

No, but she comes recommended by other folks who have worked with her before.

@hamogu:

I remember writing down a document on how much funding can be approved by the finance committee and at what level Coco participation or community involvement (our internal proposal process) is needed. Unfortunately, I can't find that now - maybe it's a draft that we never merged.

You are thinking of APE-19. Specifically:

Items in the second category — up to $10000 — can be approved by majority vote of the Finance Committee. If, in the judgment of one or more Finance Committee members, the item would not receive widespread support, the Committee will communicate these concerns to the Coordination Committee (CoCo).

In this case, no significant concerns were raised within the Finance Committee.

That said, I think the story should be a bit more nuanced than just “it follows the letter of the law”, and that's why I insisted on a three-month trial period.

To be explicit, the admin load on the volunteer Finance Committee members has been exceeding the level of time we are able to dedicate to it. Evidence for this is the length of time it's been taken to set up contracts for the Cycle 3 funding, and — in particular — to get started with the open hires funded in the Cycle 3 process. That's a real problem, and I'm hoping that Ana can help us address it. A few months should be enough for us to figure out if this is working or not.

However, it's not obvious that a community vote would actually be helpful here. Most of the projects we get the community to vote on are related to the development and maintenance of the codebase, or closely related projects. Almost all of us have a direct personal involvement with the code: we work on it or use it on a day-to-day basis. Everybody therefore has a well-informed opinion about what needs to be done to make it better.

The same can't be said of the project finances. Most members of the community don't interact with them frequently, and don't have a good day-to-day understanding of what's required to keep them running. Given that, I'm not sure a vote would be particularly meaningful.

That said, if there's really significant concern here, we certainly could consider a vote at the three-month point. We'd want to base that on a report from the Finance Committee that this has been shown to be a significant benefit (if it isn't, then we wouldn't be taking it forward regardless of a vote).

hamogu commented 1 year ago

That makes sense and I appreciate the extra context in a public forum.

pllim commented 1 year ago

Also, if this person is some relative or close friend of decision makers (in this case, one of the Finance Committee members), please declare any conflict of interest. Thanks!

pllim commented 1 year ago

p.s. Can't NumFOCUS fill this role for Astropy?

kelle commented 1 year ago
dhomeier commented 1 year ago

That said, if there's really significant concern here, we certainly could consider a vote at the three-month point. We'd want to base that on a report from the Finance Committee that this has been shown to be a significant benefit (if it isn't, then we wouldn't be taking it forward regardless of a vote).

That makes all god sense to me; given the particulars I'd also consider a vote within the Finance Committee after the first three-month trial appropriate. A community vote could then be held within the next round of general funding requests (which would be another 3 months later? or more, anyway should be with the total allocated salary still well below 10k$).

lisamartin72 commented 1 year ago

The draft contract for this item has been set up and is attached in the Astropy-Moore ICA Progress Report.

AnaGabela commented 9 months ago

Attached you will find the end of year review of my work with the finance committee. After discussing this the committee decided they are happy to continue working together as we have so far. The document has more information of how my time was used. Astropy Year End Review.pdf ]