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AtomOne GovNo Community Townhalls #83

Open adrianakalpa opened 9 months ago

adrianakalpa commented 9 months ago

AtomOne GovNo Townhall 14th Dec 2023

Hеllo еvеryonе. I'vе gathеrеd numеrous quеstions circulating within thе community and compilеd a prеliminary collective agеnda. If the GovNo members agree, we can considеr using this agеnda for our upcoming call today. Plеasе fееl frее to contribute by adding any quеstions or topics you'd likе to discuss during this Townhall to this issuе.

Date and Time: 14th December 2023, 9 am PDT / 5 pm UTC Location: X Spaces

YOUAIE commented 9 months ago

AtomOne GovNo Townhall 14th Dec 2023

Hеllo еvеryonе. I'vе gathеrеd numеrous quеstions circulating within thе community and compilеd a prеliminary collective agеnda. If the GovNo members agree, we can considеr using this agеnda for our upcoming call today. Plеasе fееl frее to contribute by adding any quеstions or topics you'd likе to discuss during this Townhall to this issuе.

Date and Time: 14th December 2023, 9 am PDT / 5 pm UTC Location: X Spaces

  • Introduction:

    • What is the GovNo chain: definition, purpose, utility

  • Define the Governance Token

    • GovNo token and the governance structure
    • GovNo governance vs. Cosmos Hub governance
    • Who are the members of GovNo?
    • How will the voting system work?

  • GovNo and AtomOne:

    • What is the relation between GovNo and AtomOne?
    • How is GovNo contributing to AtomOne?

  • How to contribute to GovNo:

    • If you are a validator
    • If you are a member
    • If you are an external contributor (but not a member)

  • Self organization and autonomy

    • How can you advance discussions and contributions
    • What is the best way for people to self organize?
    • Are there dedicated channels to stay in touch with the current development?

  • Development updates:

    • Status of GovNo development
    • The technical layers of the GovNo chain: Tendermint, Cosmos SDK, IBC, ICS
    • Validators onboarding
    • Priorities and immediate actions
    • Dependencies and blockers

  • What’s next:

    • community planning and next calls
    • Identify community priorities
    • action items until next call

Thanks for sharing, my question is: does governance have to be linked to money? How do you create something New with the old?

adrianakalpa commented 9 months ago

Hello to all contributors here 👋

The AtomOne GovNo Townhall is starting in 30 min! If you would like to participate to the discussion, make sure you join here X Spaces.

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moul commented 9 months ago

Feedback: If $GOVNO is not transferable, it should be referred to as a "shitty score" rather than a "shitty token" :)

However, it is possible that the non-transferability is not permanent. Perhaps $GOVNO members could vote to make it transferable? It could be a good idea to permanently block it through code, don't you think?

CLHRAE commented 9 months ago

Wanted to recommend having a look at DAO DAO as a means to coordinate GovNo. It's ready to use, which means we could start coordinating today. It could be used to vote on decisions on how GovNo is designed.

I'm a contributor, happy to demo if it would help.

Edit - I've created the GovNo DAO which is a membership DAO, which means equal voting. Easy to create one with a tokenfactory $GovNo token so there is representative voting.

https://daodao.zone/dao/juno1vpcdx5cvnez67rz87ytmlyhwe54g8us8y03p65pn4sswy8jrja5qlh6v9z/proposals

Useful?

MichaelFrazzy commented 9 months ago

@CLHRAE really funny you mention this, I was just talking with some people about how useful DAO DAO or an alternative could potentially be. In that case related to Gnoland but even if it's just set up as a more accurate and robust voting system while AtomOne decisions are being made... I agree that could be very useful.

Anything come to mind outside of voting/polling? And with how you currently set up is it a standard democracy voting system? In that case we may have to tweak it a tiny bit, I really appreciate you putting this together.

CLHRAE commented 9 months ago

@MichaelFrazzy Happy to help.

There are plenty of options outside of voting and polling depending on requirements. Neutron just launched their grants SubDAO and use a forked DAO DAO for their chain governance. We have vesting contracts and retroactive compensation, treasury management, Authz... There is a lot that could be done. Better understanding the requirements would be helpful.

To answer your second question voting can be weighted or not. What kind of a tweak do you have in mind?

Your levers are: voting weight quorum passing threshold voting duration allowing revoting

I have an idea for an intial GovNo DAO structure and how we can get only 848 No and No with Veto voters in the DAO.

I'll start a new github issue, and post a demo tomorrow.

devmev10 commented 9 months ago

+1 for DAO DAO

MichaelFrazzy commented 9 months ago

@CLHRAE a demo would be great, looking forward to it! I'm familiar with DAO DAO but haven't followed it super recently, I'm always curious to hear any brainstorming someone might have done there.

In terms of the GovNo voting for general decision making, we'd likely just need weighting and threshold/quorum to start. The feature list should more than cover it to get things started, as long as it allows us to set up a weighting system that's impacted by multiple proposals.

So abstain, no, and no with veto for multiple proposals, but with the ability to further weight from there. So that Prop 848 can have more impact on the output than any additional proposals added to the weighting system, that way it's not just a flat 50/50 or 33/33/33 split between proposal's effect on the final vote.

One thing to keep in mind is those who abstained from voting on prop 848 (and any other proposals considered in weighting) will likely still be able to participate. In that case just with a 0.7 (or whatever is decided on) multiplier, while No and No with Veto would have a boost in comparison.

CLHRAE commented 9 months ago

I created a separate issue specifically for DAO DAO here