QST - Quiz/Survey/Test - Githubissues

bobb34 commented 9 months ago

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description: "QST, the worlds unparalleled open source online assessment software. From a quick quiz on your phone to large scale, high stakes, proctored desktop testing, we make it easy, secure and economical. "
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nodiscc commented 9 months ago

No version control/git repository? :thinking: Sourceforge does provide it (example: https://sourceforge.net/p/keepass/code/HEAD/tree/) The release files contain a few precompiled binaries, minified js files, apk, etc. for which I can't find the source code. No changelog?

bobb34 commented 9 months ago

Hi,

The generation of programmers i come from are not concerned with that per se.

All that is not required to program software if you are the only one programming it.

I do not let others contribute to the software as security is our overriding mandate.

 And only by doing the programming myself can the integrity of the

software be ensured.

 I do not take chances as i have seen many, many decades of other

peoples programming.

I do take feature requests, and implement features as users ask for them or i introduce them myself.

Only the most recent version of the software is ever available.

There is a sudo changelog in README.txt.

QST is one program (QST.pm) instead of many php files, so only one file is ever changed.

What you found may be part of summernote (the WYSIWYG editor) or mathjax (creates/displays math and chemistry equations).

If you could name the files, i will check them out.

On 2024-02-18 07:05, nodiscc wrote:

No version control/git repository? 🤔 Sourceforge does provide it (example: https://sourceforge.net/p/keepass/code/HEAD/tree/) The release files contain a few precompiled binaries, minified js files, apk, etc. for which I can't find the source code. No changelog?

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Hi,

The generation of programmers i come from are not concerned with t= hat per se.

All that is not required to program software if you are the only o= ne programming it.

I do not let others contribute to the software as security is our = overriding mandate.

And only by doing the programming myself can the integrity= of the software be ensured.

I do not take chances as i have seen many, many decades of= other peoples programming.

I do take feature requests, and implement features as users ask fo= r them or i introduce them myself.

Only the most recent version of the software is ever available.

There is a sudo changelog in README.txt.

QST is one program (QST.pm) instead of many php files, so only one= file is ever changed.

What you found may be part of summernote (the WYSIWYG editor) or m= athjax (creates/displays math and chemistry equations).

If you could name the files, i will check them out.

On 2024-02-18 07:05, nodiscc wrote:

No version control/git repository? =F0=9F=A4=94 Sourceforge= does provide it (example: https://sourcef= orge.net/p/keepass/code/HEAD/tree/)
The release files contain a fe= w precompiled binaries, minified js files, apk, etc. for which I can't find= the source code.
No changelog?

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kokomo123 commented 9 months ago

it's not truly open source unless the source code is visible to everyone and you can audit the code. So you can prove said software is doing its intended purpose, not like a backdoor or anything. We could, of course label this as non-free and add it on to the list, but without the source code, the useful tool will go into obscurity. @nodiscc what are your thoughts?

nodiscc commented 8 months ago

So you can prove said software is doing its intended purpose, not like a backdoor or anything

I don't presume bad intentions.

All that is not required to program software if you are the only one programming it.

A changelog is useful to inform users of breaking changes and new/removed features or breaking changes, but the content in README.txt looks sufficient. Version control is always useful [1] even for a single-person project, especially since security is a concern for you as it provides the ability to cryptographically sign changesets, provides accountability, etc. But it is not a requirement.

The main problem is the presence of binary/precompiled files without the accompanying source code:

If you could name the files, i will check them out.

$ for i in qst*zip; do als $i |grep -v -E '(htm|jpg|png|gif|js|css|pm|txt|sql|conf|pdf|pl|/)$'; done
Archive:  qst_linux_mac.zip
  Length      Date    Time    Name
---------  ---------- -----   ----
  2808085  2021-08-06 03:05   qst_linux/android_quiz_survey_test.apk
  4413440  2022-12-29 07:35   qst_linux/libapreq2-2.17.tar
   363059  2021-05-11 10:33   qst_linux/qst/math.zip

Archive:  qst.zip
  Length      Date    Time    Name
---------  ---------- -----   ----
  2808085  2021-08-06 03:05   qst_gpl/android_quiz_survey_test.apk
  4588101  2020-05-01 02:30   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mod_perl-2.0.10-strawberryperl-5.26.1.1-64bit.zip
 10100585  2020-05-01 01:24   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/httpd-2.4.43-win64-VS16.zip
 99017793  2020-05-01 15:25   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/strawberry-perl-5.26.1.1-64bit.msi
 19488768  2020-05-01 17:38   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mysql-installer-web-community-5.7.29.0.msi
  4413440  2022-12-29 07:35   qst_gpl/libapreq2-2.17.tar
   363059  2019-11-08 23:30   qst_gpl/qst/math.zip

kokomo123 commented 8 months ago

So you can prove said software is doing its intended purpose, not like a backdoor or anything

I don't presume bad intentions.

All that is not required to program software if you are the only one programming it.

A changelog is useful to inform users of breaking changes and new/removed features or breaking changes, but the content in README.txt looks sufficient. Version control is always useful [1] even for a single-person project, especially since security is a concern for you as it provides the ability to cryptographically sign changesets, provides accountability, etc. But it is not a requirement.

The main problem is the presence of binary/precompiled files without the accompanying source code:

If you could name the files, i will check them out.
$ for i in qst*zip; do als $i |grep -v -E '(htm|jpg|png|gif|js|css|pm|txt|sql|conf|pdf|pl|/)$'; done
Archive:  qst_linux_mac.zip
  Length      Date    Time    Name
---------  ---------- -----   ----
  2808085  2021-08-06 03:05   qst_linux/android_quiz_survey_test.apk
  4413440  2022-12-29 07:35   qst_linux/libapreq2-2.17.tar
   363059  2021-05-11 10:33   qst_linux/qst/math.zip

Archive:  qst.zip
  Length      Date    Time    Name
---------  ---------- -----   ----
  2808085  2021-08-06 03:05   qst_gpl/android_quiz_survey_test.apk
  4588101  2020-05-01 02:30   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mod_perl-2.0.10-strawberryperl-5.26.1.1-64bit.zip
 10100585  2020-05-01 01:24   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/httpd-2.4.43-win64-VS16.zip
 99017793  2020-05-01 15:25   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/strawberry-perl-5.26.1.1-64bit.msi
 19488768  2020-05-01 17:38   qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mysql-installer-web-community-5.7.29.0.msi
  4413440  2022-12-29 07:35   qst_gpl/libapreq2-2.17.tar
   363059  2019-11-08 23:30   qst_gpl/qst/math.zip

Fair enough, it's not bad intentions, but it'd be nice to inspect source code.

bobb34 commented 8 months ago

I will remove the following as they are leftovers from testing and should not be there:

android_quiz_survey_test.apk

libapreq2-2.17.tar

math.zip

httpd-2.4.43-win64-VS16.zip is distributed by Apache Lounge and can be found on the web.

strawberry-perl-5.26.1.1-64bit.msi is distributed by Strawberry Perl and can be found on the web.

mysql-installer-web-community-5.7.29.0.msi is distributed by MySQL and can be found on the web.

They are provided for the windows install of QST.

I provide them in the package because they are important in the way QST scales to large amounts of simultaneous users.

MySQL 5.7 provides a cache in the database which newer versions of MySQL do not.

In the linux and mac install there is instructions to install them from the vendor.

On 2024-02-19 12:27, kokomo123 wrote:

So you can prove said software is doing its intended purpose, not like a backdoor or anything

I don't presume bad intentions.

All that is not required to program software if you are the only one programming it.

A changelog is useful to inform users of breaking changes and new/removed features or breaking changes, but the content in README.txt looks sufficient. Version control is always useful [1] [1] even for a single-person project, especially since security is a concern for you as it provides the ability to cryptographically sign changesets, provides accountability, etc. But it is not a requirement.

The main problem is the presence of binary/precompiled files without the accompanying source code:

If you could name the files, i will check them out.

$ for i in qst*zip; do als $i grep -v -E '(htm jpg png gif js css pm txt sql conf pdf pl /)$'; done Archive: qst_linux_mac.zip Length Date Time Name

2808085 2021-08-06 03:05 qst_linux/android_quiz_survey_test.apk 4413440 2022-12-29 07:35 qst_linux/libapreq2-2.17.tar 363059 2021-05-11 10:33 qst_linux/qst/math.zip

Archive: qst.zip Length Date Time Name

2808085 2021-08-06 03:05 qst_gpl/android_quiz_survey_test.apk 4588101 2020-05-01 02:30
qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mod_perl-2.0.10-strawberryperl-5.26.1.1-64bit.zip 10100585 2020-05-01 01:24
qst_gpl/WINQST_files/httpd-2.4.43-win64-VS16.zip 99017793 2020-05-01 15:25
qst_gpl/WINQST_files/strawberry-perl-5.26.1.1-64bit.msi 19488768 2020-05-01 17:38
qst_gpl/WINQST_files/mysql-installer-web-community-5.7.29.0.msi 4413440 2022-12-29 07:35 qst_gpl/libapreq2-2.17.tar 363059 2019-11-08 23:30 qst_gpl/qst/math.zip

Fair enough, it's not bad intentions, but it'd be nice to inspect source code.

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kokomo123 commented 8 months ago

Alrighty then, feel free to add a PR and we can take a look as that's fine

bobb34 commented 8 months ago

Hi,

I removed the math.zip and the google apk and uploaded new zips to https://sourceforge.net/projects/qstonline/

libapreq2-2.17.tar can be found at https://httpd.apache.org/apreq/download.cgi

It is used for the Mac OS install.

You guys probably don't see much perl stuff let alone modperl ...

Thanks!

On 2024-02-19 16:21, kokomo123 wrote:

Alrighty then, feel free to add a PR and we can take a look as that's fine

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bobb34 commented 8 months ago

I tried to add a PR, but could not (even with reading the instructions) surmise how to find the qst.zip that you have and compare it to the new qst.zip? I see you likely got it from sourceforge.net, but i don't use their versioning? system either, i just upload new zips. This way users can only download the newest version. I just version my own qst.zip with a date stamp added on end. Would be great to have my software listed with you, don't know how to proceed? I wrote mainly back end code to tie systems together and move data around and manipulate data and database systems. These were projects that others could not or would not take on (you learn by doing), so there was no group programming. Blah,blah... Anyways, i programmed alone, so not used to this. If you want to drop my project i understand.
If it needs to be reviewed by another perl programmer before being ok'd, i would likely have to provide some assistance as i have a rather unique programming style. That's why you use perl.

ryangurn commented 8 months ago

@bobb34 If you can ensure the template in here is still accurate, I can put the PR in for you.

Let me know if you have any questions. I have not fully reviewed the entire discussion so please be sure to make any edits discussed otherwise it will cause both of us extra work. Thanks!

bobb34 commented 8 months ago

Yes, it is good.

Much appreciated...

On 2024-02-29 19:46, Ryan Gurnick wrote:

@bobb34 [1] If you can ensure the template in here [2] is still accurate, I can put the PR in for you.

Let me know if you have any questions. I have not fully reviewed the entire discussion so please be sure to make any edits discussed otherwise it will cause both of us extra work. Thanks!

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ryangurn commented 7 months ago

@bobb34, can you please verify the demo link. When I go to that URL, I do not see the demo.

The demo_url is optional so let me know if we need to remove it.

Sorry for the delayed response, been busy.

bobb34 commented 7 months ago

Hey, a user must create a Free Account at qstonline.org to try the software. We do not retain their email addresses. Don't know if that qualifies as Demo?

ryangurn commented 7 months ago

I am not sure, @nodiscc you think that suffices as a demo?

nodiscc commented 7 months ago

@ryangurn I'm not sure, do you think we should allow demos that require sign up? I don't think we should (bad user experience), but I have no strong opinion yet. There is a precedent [1] that leads to the same conclusion. Another one [2] was accepted but it does not require an e-mail address.

@bobb34 Is the demo immediately available after signing up, or does the user have to wait for an approval/action on your part?

bobb34 commented 7 months ago

We immediately send you an email with your password and you're good to go. We use it as more of a deterrent for robots than anything else. Also, it lets us throttle users if they are converting a lot of questions at once (have not had to do that yet).

We are not interested in selling information, that is not why we write open source software. We don't use any cookies and the only tracker we use is the free webstats.com . Your email address is kept for 2 months then deleted.

ryangurn commented 7 months ago

Ok I personally am okay with requiring credentials for anti-spam reasons, it can be rough out there with the bots.

@bobb34 do you mind just updating this with the direct link to the "demo/signup" page.

bobb34 commented 6 months ago

Hi, I updated the link to the demo/signup page.

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