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Allow App Runner services to talk to AWS resources in a private Amazon VPC #1

Closed akshayram-wolverine closed 2 years ago

akshayram-wolverine commented 3 years ago

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Customers can run services on App Runner and talk to other AWS services via a public endpoint. For instances, they can talk to Amazon DynamoDB, Aurora DB with public access. But customers may also want App Runner services to access resources such as RDS instances in a private VPC.

adilnaimi commented 3 years ago

just waiting for this to happen, and we will migrate all our ECS workers to App runner

boadude commented 3 years ago

Same here, I had a lot of Fargate services, but I need to connect to RDS.

Need this before migrating to App Runner.

raghibfaisal commented 3 years ago

Was also wondering if there would be a way to reference the app running in App Runner somehow in another security group. For instance, if we have a database running on an EC2 server and want to allow just the app (app runner container) to access the EC2-database. The container in App-Runner does not have a security group in front of it unlike Fargate. Otherwise, we could have referenced the containers security group in the EC2-databases security group.

greenreign commented 3 years ago

I know it's been only a month since GA but is there any idea on timing for the next release which hopefully contains this issue? We can't wait to get off of K8s/EKS and are looking at ECS Fargate but would love to jump straight into AppRunner. But we need to connect to RDS so I'd really like to understand the potential timing on this.

shorn commented 3 years ago

But we need to connect to RDS ...

This is also my use-case and it's not the first time I've ruled out new AWS tech because it can't interact with RDS or other resources running in my private VPC.

It was literally the first thing I looked at when AppRunner was announced - and this issue absolutely should be in the FAQ. It seems like a general problem that AWS product releases of new tech often come out without the ability to talk to private VPC resources.

OTOH, it's totally understandable. The team is trying to release cool new tech and so they reduce the scope to a Minimal Viable Product. It's an unfortunate reality that the MVP approach often makes new AWS technologies unusable for many folks (and not just because of the private VPC resource issue either).

I wonder if it's not time for AWS to come up with a general way for customers to safely connect to private resources - some kind of "reverse VPC endpoint". Though just writing out the idea of making my RDS accessible this way is giving me the security-heebie-jeebies.

1oglop1 commented 3 years ago

@shorn Is it not possible? I was in impression that I just create VPC and security group endpoint for Apprunner and RDS

rds-ep -> rds-ep-sg apprunner-ep -> apprunner-sg

Rules: rds-ep-sg ACCEPT TCP:5432 (postgres)from apprunner-sg Is this not how it should work, if not please correct me I'm bit lost in Networking here

alexpaluzzi commented 3 years ago

@shorn Is it not possible? I was in impression that I just create VPC and security group endpoint for Apprunner and RDS

rds-ep -> rds-ep-sg apprunner-ep -> apprunner-sg

Rules: rds-ep-sg ACCEPT TCP:5432 (postgres)from apprunner-sg Is this not how it should work, if not please correct me I'm bit lost in Networking here

How would you connect the specific App Runner service with this security group or endpoint? That's a missing piece here.

Simbul commented 3 years ago

I found this thread as I also tried adding a DB and was incredibly surprised to realise it wasn't possible.

A bit more research led me to AWS Copilot, which is a slightly more advanced toolkit for containerised apps. Copilot's Load Balanced Web Service option was what I needed in the end (i.e. running a containerised app with access to a DB).

Also worth noting that Copilot's Request-driven Web Service uses App Runner under the hood.

1oglop1 commented 3 years ago

@Simbul Yeah I did not use Copilot because it's cloudformation and ECS, I can build the same thing myself using terraform/pulumi and have more control. I was surprised that Copilot created ECS cluster even then when I created Request driven service which does not need it.

dyaacov commented 3 years ago

I spent 3 days trying to connect DocumentDB and ElasticCache to my new App Runner... :(

alexpaluzzi commented 3 years ago

I spent 3 days trying to connect DocumentDB and ElasticCache to my new App Runner... :(

How did you connect elasticache with app runner? I can't stablish connection, I'm getting timeout :(

You can't. That's what this issue is about. They're working on it.

dyaacov commented 3 years ago

like the post says... currently it's impossible

I ended up with ECS+Fargate using copilot

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How did you connect elasticache with app runner? I can't stablish connection, I'm getting timeout :(

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akshayram-wolverine commented 3 years ago

Thank you for all the feedback. We are working on VPC support for App Runner and will have more updates on this thread going forward.

In the meantime as suggested by the community on this thread you can use ECS/Fargate that has access to resources in your VPC by default. You can optionally use Copilot with ECS/Fargate to help simplify the provisioning steps. Copilot also works with App Runner so you can seamlessly migrate to App Runner once VPC support is enabled. For a database choice with App Runner today, you can use DynamoDB if it meets your use case.

To help us better learn about your use case please give us feedback if possible by selecting from the options below that is most consistent with your setup:

I plan to use App Runner for

  1. New greenfield applications
  2. Migrate existing applications from EC2, ECS, Other (tell us)
  3. Both (1) & (2)

I need VPC support to:

  1. Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.
  2. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC
  3. Other (Please tell us)

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

  1. Often
  2. Sometimes
  3. Rarely

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

  1. Yes, I use VPC flow logs
  2. No, I don't use VPC flow logs
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bram-abe commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for

Both

I need VPC support to

Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instanc

Sometimes

Do you use VPC Flow logs https://docs.aws.amazon.com/vpc/latest/userguide/flow-logs.html today

No, I don't use VPC flow logs

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 14:41 akshayram-wolverine @.***> wrote:

Thank you for all the feedback. We are working on VPC support for App Runner and will have more updates on this thread going forward.

In the meantime as suggested by the community on this thread you can use ECS/Fargate that has access to resources in your VPC by default. You can optionally use Copilot with ECS/Fargate to help simplify the provisioning steps. Copilot also works with App Runner so you can seamlessly migrate to App Runner once VPC support is enabled. For a database choice with App Runner today, you can use DynamoDB https://www.apprunnerworkshop.com/intermediate/prereqs/clone/ if it meets your use case.

To help us better learn about your use case please give us feedback if possible by selecting from the options below that is most consistent with your setup:

I plan to use App Runner for

  1. New greenfield applications
  2. Migrate existing applications from EC2, ECS, Other (tell us)
  3. Both (2) & (3)

I need VPC support to:

  1. Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.
  2. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC
  3. Other (Please tell us)

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

  1. Often
  2. Sometimes
  3. Rarely

Do you use VPC Flow logs https://docs.aws.amazon.com/vpc/latest/userguide/flow-logs.html today:

  1. Yes, I use VPC flow logs
  2. No, I don't use VPC flow logs

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saintech commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for

  1. New greenfield applications

I need VPC support to:

  1. Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.
  2. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

  1. Often

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

  1. No, I don't use VPC flow logs
RichiCoder1 commented 3 years ago
alexpaluzzi commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for Both new and existing application. Existing are mostly in Lambda and Beanstalk.

I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance Yes. Often.

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: No, I don't use VPC flow logs

baer commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for Migrate existing applications from Elastic Beanstalk.

I need VPC support to: Our VPC has private subnets that use an AWS Site-to-Site VPN to access internal resources. Our application needs access to those resources. Roughly, this is our configuration. The most important connection is a SQL Server Database running in Azure.

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance Unlikely. However, we deploy with CDK our services and, most often, we do not specify the subnet specifically. I'm not sure if this has any impact, but retention policy and how things are deployed may be a factor. Note: It looks like a higher-order construct is not on the roadmap for CDK at the time of writing. Any help here would be appreciated :).

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: No.

amgci commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for Migrate existing applications from EC2, ECS, Other (tell us) I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC. Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance Sometimes Do you use VPC Flow logs today: No, I don't use VPC flow logs Additional Item – ticket regarding PHP support – very key to our migration to AppRunner Thanks, Kipp

From: akshayram-wolverine Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:41 AM To: aws/apprunner-roadmap Cc: amgci; Manual Subject: Re: [aws/apprunner-roadmap] Allow App Runner services to talk to AWSresources in a private Amazon VPC (#1)

Thank you for all the feedback. We are working on VPC support for App Runner and will have more updates on this thread going forward. In the meantime as suggested by the community on this thread you can use ECS/Fargate that has access to resources in your VPC by default. You can optionally use Copilot with ECS/Fargate to help simplify the provisioning steps. Copilot also works with App Runner so you can seamlessly migrate to App Runner once VPC support is enabled. For a database choice with App Runner today, you can use DynamoDB if it meets your use case. To help us better learn about your use case please give us feedback if possible by selecting from the options below that is most consistent with your setup: I plan to use App Runner for

  1. New greenfield applications
  2. Migrate existing applications from EC2, ECS, Other (tell us)
  3. Both (2) & (3) I need VPC support to:
  4. Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.
  5. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC
  6. Other (Please tell us) Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance
  7. Often
  8. Sometimes
  9. Rarely Do you use VPC Flow logs today:
  10. Yes, I use VPC flow logs
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shorn commented 3 years ago

Unsubscribed from this issue since I don't really need a stream of emails telling me that nobody uses VPC flow logs.

choreo commented 3 years ago

Should we keep answering the inquiry? Sorry for bothering all. I plan to use App Runner for

  1. New greenfield applications

I need VPC support to:

  1. Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC. (Mainly RDS)

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

  1. Sometimes

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

  1. No, I don't use VPC flow logs
mwarkentin commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for

  1. Both (1) & (2)

I need VPC support to:

Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC.
Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

Often: we often have multiple services within a single app which all talk to the database, cache, etc - we often have a public web process, internal api process, multiple async worker processes, etc within an application

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

Yes, I use VPC flow logs
pawelmrowczynski commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for

I need VPC support to:

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

MasatoshiMizumoto commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for 1 & 2 (migrating from EC2) I need VPC support to 1. Connect App Runner services to RDS databases More than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache 2. sometimes Do you use VPC Flow logs today 2. No, I don't use VPC flow logs

JFDontigny commented 3 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for

I need VPC support to:

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance

Do you use VPC Flow logs today:

davidmcl commented 2 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for: BOTH NEW & EXISTING

I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB; INCLUDING MULTIPLE RDS INSTANCES & DATABASES ACROSS MULTIPLE VPCs (but single AWS account).

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance YES

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: NO

davidmcl commented 2 years ago

In the meantime as suggested by the community on this thread you can use ECS/Fargate that has access to resources in your VPC by default. ....

...but wasn't the whole value-add proposition of apprunner that you didn't have to, and it was easier than the other options?

AWS App Runner is an AWS service that provides a fast, simple, and cost-effective way to deploy from source code or a container image directly to a scalable and secure web application in the AWS Cloud. You don't need to learn new technologies, decide which compute service to use, or know how to provision and configure AWS resources.

Pity it doesn't work for one (or more) of the most common use cases; e.g. an api

markclarke commented 2 years ago

Not having access to RDS is a blocker for me. My use-case will have more than one AppRunner service talking to the same RDS in the same VPC i.e. several different containers talking to the same DB.

redigaffi commented 2 years ago

If RDS is publicly accessible, I guess there shouldn't be any issue in using RDS in apprunner, am I right?

xmarcosx commented 2 years ago

@redigaffi If the RDS is publicly accessible and is whitelisted for access from 0.0.0.0/0 then it does work without any issue. I would like to connect App Runner to a RDS instance that is publicly accessible, but only to my IP address. Then have App Runner create a connection to the RDS on the backend, private IP side so I don't have to whitelist any IPs there.

Google Cloud Run does this where you can create a connection to a Cloud SQL instance simply by instance name.

patrickbeam commented 2 years ago

If RDS is publicly accessible, I guess there shouldn't be any issue in using RDS in apprunner, am I right?

If you want to use serverless Aurora it is not available outside of a VPC.

Velniai commented 2 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for: BOTH NEW & EXISTING

I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB;

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance YES

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: NO

agent-reed commented 2 years ago 
1 - I plan to use App Runner for 1 & 2 (migrating from EC2)
2 - I need VPC support to 1. Connect App Runner services to RDS databases
3 - Sometimes
4 - No, I don't use VPC flow logs
greenreign commented 2 years ago

Thank you for all the feedback. We are working on VPC support for App Runner and will have more updates on this thread going forward.

@akshayram-wolverine Any update?

RichiCoder1 commented 2 years ago

Fingers crossed this drops before/with Re:Invent coming up. Or at least an update. This really is the only thing holding us back personally from using App Service for most our use cases.

amgci commented 2 years ago

Yes, this and PHP support are the 2 things holding us back from using App Runner.

clarksm commented 2 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for Both (1) & (2)

I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance Sometimes

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: Yes, I use VPC flow logs

akospinter commented 2 years ago

App Runner is a great product, but I think the VPC / SecurityGroup support is an essential feature.

Do you have any estimation when this feature will be released?

akshayram-wolverine commented 2 years ago

Thanks so much for all the feedback!! Really appreciate the time and effort. The feedback has been really helpful to make sure we are building the feature in a way that aligns with customer's expectations. We are heads down working on this and I have moved this to the coming soon section of the roadmap.

CarlosDomingues commented 2 years ago

I plan to use App Runner for Both (1) & (2)

I need VPC support to: Connect App Runner services to databases or caches eg. RDS, Elasticache, DocumentDB that default to a VPC. Connect App Runner services to another EKS or ECS service behind a load balancer or a service running on EC2 behind an Load balancer in a VPC Block access from external / non-approved hosts.

Do you foresee more than one App Runner service talking to the same database/cache by sharing the subnet and security group eg. Three App Runner services talking to the same RDS instance No

Do you use VPC Flow logs today: Yes, I use VPC flow logs

abhijitajmera commented 2 years ago

Meanwhile is there any workaround for App Runner communication to Aurora and ElastiCache?