Classic changed Enchanting Recipes

[Hacki95]

Arbitration made me aware of an issue we will face in the 50-60 bracket.

Most of the classic enchantments for caster classes got changed with wotlk, while they required items like "nexus crystals" before (disenchanted from classic items) they now require "prismatic shards" (disenchanted from TBC items only).

This is true for most other ingredients as well (Elemental items, Dust etc). Is it possible to change the requirements in a recipe? Not without Core edits right? What are our possibilities here?

1) Try to change back the recipes to classic

From my understanding since these spells are saved in the client there is no simple way to just overwrite these with sql values in the DB. If I am wrong please correct me here but I think this would require a custom patch.

2) Make an exchange vendor

We would need to find out if there is an almost 1:1 way to exchange the materials to the classic values. Like @Yehonal said this might be possible to do without core edits but I am not sure.

3) Make an exchange gossip NPC

If the option of using a normal vendor doesn't work we could script a simple exchange gossip NPC. Same principle as for option 2, we would need to research first if the items can be exchanged 1:1

So what should we do??

We need to find someone who has the time to compare the classic recipes with the changed ones to find out how we could exchange the items accordingly because from my understanding changing the recipes would mean too much work and a custom patch. So option 2 looks like the preferred method.

[Shineslippers]

Enchanting

There is only recipes that changed mats to TBC one.

Recipe	Old	Current
25072 Gloves - Threat	4xNC 6xLBS 8xLarval Acid	4xSPS 2xGPE 8xPrimal Life
25073 Gloves - Shadow Power	3xNC 10xLBS 6xEssence of Undeath	3xSPS 10xLBS 6xEssence of Undeath
25074 Gloves - Frost Power	3xNC 10xLBS 4xEssence of Water	3xSPS 10xLBS 4xEssence of Water
25078 Gloves - Fire Power	2xNC 10xLBS 4xEssence of Fire	2xSPS 10xLBS 4xEssence of Fire
25079 Gloves - Healing Power	3xNC 8xLBS 1xRighteous Orb	3xSPS 8xLBS 1xRighteous Orb
25080 Gloves - Superior Agility	3xNC 8xLBS 4xEssence of Air	3xSPS 3xGPE 2xPrimal Air
25081 Cloak - Greater Fire Resistance	3xNC 8xLBS 4xEssence of Fire	3xSPS 3xGPE 4xEssence of Fire
25082 Cloak - Greater Nature Resistance	2xNC 8xLBS 4xLiving Essence	2xSPS 3xGPE 4xLiving Essence
25083 Cloak - Stealth	3xNC 8xLBS 2xBlack Lotus	3xSPS 3xGPE 2xFel Lotus
25084 Cloak - Subtlety	4xNC 6xLBS 2xBlack Diamond	4xSPS 2xGPE 8xPrimal Shadow
25086 Cloak - Dodge	3xNC 8xLBS 8xGuardian Stone	3xSPS 3xGPE 8xPrimal Earth

Possible Ratio. Primal Shadow not so trashy to exchange 1x4, but this is debatable.

Old	Ratio	Current
Nexus Crystal	1x1	Small Prismatic Shard
Large Brilliant Shard	3x1	Greater Planar Essence
Guardian Stone	1x1	Primal Earth
Black Lotus	1x1	Fel Lotus
Black Diamond	?x?	Primal Shadow
Essence of Air	2x1	Primal Air
Larval Acid	1x1	Primal Life

[UltraNix]

There is no option to change reagents without clientside modifications. Also - an exchange vendoris not a good choice - people can abuse and farm mats, exchange for TBC mats and then wait till TBC release. It would kill AH/economy.

[55Honey]

There is no option to change reagents without clientside modifications. Also - an exchange vendoris not a good choice - people can abuse and farm mats, exchange for TBC mats and then wait till TBC release. It would kill AH/economy.

Good point, but we can just run a query and convert them all back during the update from vanilla to BC.

https://github.com/55Honey/Acore_ExchangeNpc Here is the first draft of the NPC. Values are only for testing. There's a NPC Insert query missing in it for the creature_template table.

[UltraNix]

Good point, but we can just run a query and convert them all back during the update from vanilla to BC. Sounds like a good cause of drama :)

Of course, people just can farm these mats, exchange and sell to vendor to make money - it's another example.

[55Honey]

We need to make it clear that the Mats would be converted back from the start. That's the best we can do.

[UltraNix]

And what about money? Of course, people just can farm these mats, exchange and sell to vendor to make money - it's another example. I think it's not a best idea.

[55Honey]

That sounds like we need to lower the vendor value of the BC items / set it to 0 temporarily. Good point actually!

[UltraNix]

@55Honey We want a new exchange vendor for that?

[55Honey]

We can add all of these mats to the one that exists. We'll test it asap and adjust the values/mats.

[UltraNix]

"The one that exists" - which is...?

[55Honey]

This one :)

There is no option to change reagents without clientside modifications. Also - an exchange vendoris not a good choice - people can abuse and farm mats, exchange for TBC mats and then wait till TBC release. It would kill AH/economy.

Good point, but we can just run a query and convert them all back during the update from vanilla to BC.

https://github.com/55Honey/Acore_ExchangeNpc Here is the first draft of the NPC. Values are only for testing. There's a NPC Insert query missing in it for the creature_template table.

[UltraNix]

@55Honey So you are working on it?

[55Honey]

Yes. We did some testing today. We're going to add a confirmation gossip and then it should be good to go.

[55Honey]

Thanks! I didn't think of that tbh :-)

[55Honey]

Someone, please test the PR above, and check the ratios so we can close this.

[Helias]

Tested, hope we can use it soon 🚀

[55Honey]

@Hacki95 please check the ratios. If fine, we can merge and close this.

[Shineslippers]

@55Honey Can this NCP change several item to one? I mean if for full set of mats gives enchant Scroll instead of mats. Idk is this any better or not, but in this case it will not affect other proffesions. There will be only cheap enchant scrolls and don't need to care about removals.

[55Honey]

Sure, we could do that. But it would remove the meaning of the actual recipes from the game. People should be required to farm them in the raids.

I don't see an effect on other professions, other than the prices tbh.

[Hacki95]

We should also keep in mind, before TBC is released we should convert ALL tbc materials back to classic ones if people stockpiled them. That way nobody can prefarm TBC mats.

[55Honey]

@Hacki95 The NPC mentions that in the confirmation dialog. The query would be manual and needs to be added to the progression repo as a one-time execution.

[Hacki95]

neat