Open sutibun opened 8 years ago
Thanks for that, monkey, I like your ideas (particularly the sexy-video-titles suggestion) and I'd endorse you as the marketing person.
Please also note my suggestion to add Backdrop to automated installers which hasnt moved any further. I wrote to Mojo, who replied, and I believe I forwarded it to @quicksketch or @jenlampton and left it there.
^_^)b though the monkey doesn't need to be the marketing person. Just trying to help.
Like the automated installer idea. Would help get the word out there too.
Just to clean things up, here are the ideas better organized minus the cruft.
The monkey thinks we need to delay this strategy and shift focus on Strategy A because
Going with the 80/20 rule, Strategy A has higher priority. Of course, that doesn't mean we don't do simple stuff to attract non-Drupalers... just that our main focus and efforts at the moment should be geared on targeting Drupalers. This will bide us time to refine Bd so when we're ready to go after non-Drupalers, the UX will be much better and hopefully we'll have more volunteers on our side. (read: Drupal traitors :p)
What the monkey says makes sense. :+1:
^^)b
Depending on what you guys are interested in doing more, if any, the monkey can expand that section and fill in with more details. This is more of high level view.
Though if you ask me, what will have the biggest AND most immediate impact are
But every little bit helps of course. It's not just one thing.
PS: Will add more ideas to the organized list as they come
Hey there my chromosomatically-compatible friend. I though I would mention https://github.com/backdrop/backdrop-issues/issues/1386 in case you miss it. Market opportunity there if you ask me. Just keep an eye or two on that issue and see how our php7 support goes. Then you can reach out to D7-dont-want-to-upgrade-to-D8-but-still-need-to-go-php7-now people :wink:
Wow @sutibun your suggestions are spot-on! I think we should create an issue for each, so they don't get lost as a comment :) (I like to-do lists, can you tell?)
...this issue deserves to be a meta :wink:
A pause here. There are a bunch of things listed here, which will in all likelihood become abandoned since no one has the time to do all (see all other METAs). Furthermore we may end up doing the least effective. Can we choose one and aim to get it done by 1.3.0? Just one, with a person(s) assigned, and a list of tasks?
Also, great that we're marketing, yes, but we need make sure our product is acceptable to our market, not just advertising. If we advertise, and people come, we dont yet have good themes, and we don't have help pages. I think those two should be priority for 'marketing' as well, given limited resources.
Yes, if I remember the weekly chat, the question was, "Backdrop may be more useful to marketing type people than earlier incarnations of Drupal (ease of use, etc). So, do we have any marketing type people interested in helping out in that area?"
So I don't think the initial call was, "How can Doc and Quicksketch market Backdrop?" Not that you can't, we just don't have enough time for that,I just think there was a question raised in the chat or some issue that some option open-source projects may have "developers" and then "the people that talk about what the developers do/what the product does for you".
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A pause here. There are a bunch of things listed here, which will in all likelihood become abandoned since no one has the time to do all (see all over METAs). Furthermore we may end up doing the least effective. Can we choose one and aim to get it done by 1.3.0? Just one, with a person(s) assigned, and a list of tasks?
Also, great that we're marketing, yes, but we need make sure our product is acceptable to our market, not just advertising. If we advertise, and people come, we dont yet have good themes, and we don't have help pages. I think those two should be priority for 'marketing' as well, given limited resources.
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@klonos Will keep an eye but ticket closed ^o^)
Waaaaaah, monkey so happy happy got mentioned in the meeting that have a big wide smile ^_____^
whispers bookmarking video...
Yes, if I remember the weekly chat, the question was, "Backdrop may be more useful to marketing type people than earlier incarnations of Drupal (ease of use, etc). So, do we have any marketing type people interested in helping out in that area?"
So I don't think the initial call was, "How can Doc and Quicksketch market Backdrop?"
Actually, the monkey was confused during that video segment. Wasn't sure if she meant what you said or marketing Bd. Was unclear but bit the bullet. Since she meant the other meaning, monkey wants everybody to delete this post and forget everything the monkey mentioned :p
I think we should create an issue for each, so they don't get lost as a comment :) (I like to-do lists, can you tell?)
@jenlampton ^_^)b
A pause here. There are a bunch of things listed here, which will in all likelihood become abandoned since no one has the time to do all
Agree. Monkey listed these as options to select from. Didn't think we'd go all in on all of them at once. Don't think that's a good idea, especially if we don't have the staff.
Knowing this, monkey divided tasks into "How can we enhance what we're already doing?" (read:tweaking our current actions) and "With a lil' more effort, what else can we do?" (read: add new and larger items to our todo pile)
Usually the monkey likes to start out by focusing on extracting the most juice out of stuff we're already doing because it's the easiest and requires not much extra work.
Once we have that down, we can move "up" to the next few items. We'll get to all the tasks but we'll do so little by little.
Which leads the monkey to the next point that want to emphasize: "Everything"*** we plan to do marketing-wise should revolve around the primary strategy which is to grab the attention of current Drupalers.** We can go after Wordpress or Joomla users but then we'd be vying away from the main strategy and diluting our efforts. We shouldn't do that as it's not our current focus. We'll get to them eventually... just not now.
Marketing flops because people try to get the attention of everybody at once. It's all about laser focus.
* Now this isn't exactly strict, of course. If a volunteer wants to hand out Bd flyers at a WP conference, for example, we're not going to stop them. Hope you understand what I mean. Just saying we need to concentrate our efforts. Here's a quick example to hopefully make the point better: Facebook started out by focusing on college students. Once it had acquired enough mass, it jumped out and reached out to everybody else.
Being understaffed might seem like a disadvantage but monkey doesn't think of it that way. It forces us to choose tasks that will bring more bang for the buck.
Also, great that we're marketing, yes, but we need make sure our product is acceptable to our market, not just advertising.
It's like the doc and the monkey think similarly. We just have to be careful not to overextend ourselves. It's why monkey has been suggesting improvements to Bd. Trying to better Bd is marketing. To monkey, design, product development and marketing are not different. People build walls to separate the fields but they're inherently tied together. If you break those fields down to its essence, it starts with the audience. (eh... can go into that rabbit hole but won't)
Not that you can't, we just don't have enough time for that [marketing]
There's a common belief many struggling businesses have and that is: if I focus on making my product the best it can be, people will naturally come. It happens. Can't say it doesn't but that's not the norm. You have to make an effort to get in front of people. You have to be the catalyst. Otherwise, your whole strategy is dependent on hope and faith: e.g. "I hope Digg/TV/Lullabot/tech influencer mentions us one day." "I hope my few customers spread the word about us and it catches on"
Another example. Think of GoDaddy. Do you think they got that big by not using an intentional marketing strategy? As much as people dislike their service, they're still bringing in new customers, enough to afford TV commercials.
You always hear stories of someone getting passed over by someone less qualified. Why is that? Because the other person marketed him/herself better.
Would you rather cross your fingers or try to make things fall your way?
It's not an issue of we EITHER focus on building out Bd OR we market Bd. That's limited... having to choose one over the other.
Why can't it be we do both: building out Bd AND marketing Bd? Is it that impossible to work on both of them? Totally unfeasible?
But more than that, if our marketing efforts is able to bring in new Drupal themers + developers to help out Bd development, would the marketing have been worth it?
wipes forehead Monkey always finds self writing lots when it comes to Bd.
Anyway, it's like said earlier, dunno if monkey the best when it comes to marketing but will give all to make Bd a success.
Eeek... ran out of time. Will address sub-issues later. lies on floor no poke please closes eyes
...reach out to (frustrated) Drupal users you say? ...https://www.drupal.org/node/887108#comment-10664082 :smiling_imp:
Directly on "enemy" territory... that's one way to spread the word to Drupalers.
Monkey thought of adding that to the list but felt some might disapprove... but if volunteers wanna do it... who is the monkey to stop them.
Dunno if this is the best place to post this but here we go. In last week's meeting Jen asked for help with marketing saying,
raises hand Ooh, the monkey can help there. The monkey is in the marketing field. It was like she was talking about me. Dunno if the monkey is the best but willing to help. The reason haven't been here is because been busy lately with marketing projects ^_^)v
Anyway, to get things rolling here are some initial thoughts:
wipes forehead Ok... that'll do for starters.