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Eliezer, do you have a preferred mechanism for dealing with this? (Asking you
because you tend to want to have a say in LW code changes.)
Original comment by lukep...@gmail.com
on 26 Jun 2013 at 12:12
I'd as soon silently reject the downvotes and notify a moderator, who could
then either approve, or remove downvoting ability (still with silent rejection)
but that would be way more complicated. As it stands, just vanishing the
downvoting buttons on that user after -10 karma in 1 day sounds reasonable. We
also want to allow this when the downvoter has more than 1000 karma and the
user has less than 70% upvotes, maybe - there are such things as trolls.
Original comment by yudkow...@gmail.com
on 26 Jun 2013 at 5:00
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One objection to this: in my case, for example, I came to the attention of
someone very quickly in my career at LW, and they have made sure to keep me
below 68% upvotes consistently.
If I may be so bold, I think the proper solution is to record the name and
timestamp of upvotes/downvotes with the upvote/downvote itself, and signal a
flag to a moderator if more than, say, 50% of a person's dkarma/dt within a
particular span of time comes from a particular person. Put in a threshold so
that low-karma edge cases don't trip false positives, and have the moderator
review all karma to see if someone is either downvoting retributively, or
upvoting collusively.
Original comment by brent.j....@gmail.com
on 8 Jul 2013 at 7:42
If we use fairly tight criteria for when to notify a moderator, it won't take
that much time on their part. It would also be helpful if whatever bug fix we
use also works retroactively so the moderators can see what has been happening
up until this point, but that's not strictly speaking necessary.
I don't think that using the downvote's curent karma total is a good idea as a
standard. In practice almost any serious block downvoting will occur from users
with some karma anyways.
Original comment by zelin...@gmail.com
on 10 Dec 2013 at 4:04
This has just happened to me (Jiro). I tried to private message Eliezer but he
didn't respond--he's probably swamped with responses to all the stuff he writes.
I went down by 50 karma in a week or so and the damage is only this light
because every so often I beg and other people mod some of my recent comments up
again. Checking my comments shows that of the past 100 comments I've made,
exactly one was not downvoted, which is not only extreme, it clearly indicates
a downvote by exactly one person, since the same number of downvotes made by
multiple people would be distributed in a more random manner. Statistically
speaking, distributing 100 random down votes should result in about 35 comments
that don't get any downvotes (of course that's a simplification, since there
are also legitimately downvoted comments, and upvotes, and it's not always
possible to exactly determine the number of votes from the count without a lot
of work).
At the rate I'm losing karma, I will be forced out of LW by August (if the
downvoter bothers to create extra accounts to continue downvoting at the same
pace).
And it's not fast enough for the downvoter to be discouraged by only voting
down -10 per day. It's only averaged around that on me.
Also, I've already been taken below 70% by this, so basing it on whether the
victim is below 70% is not good.
The simplest fix would be to show the names of everyone who downvotes you.
Anyone who finds that 99 comments out of 100 have the same person's name listed
as a downvoter could easily expose them.
Original comment by jmusas...@gmail.com
on 20 Mar 2014 at 2:33
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I'm now down to 515 karma, having started with 605.
The moderators are being seriously amiss in refusing to look at this or do
anything about it.
Original comment by jmusas...@gmail.com
on 3 Apr 2014 at 1:41
Original comment by wjmo...@gmail.com
on 3 Apr 2014 at 9:37
One user responsible for systematic downvoting
[http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/kfq/moderator_action_eugine_nier_is_now_ba
nned_for/ seems to have been caught], though there are still
[http://lesswrong.com/lw/kfn/moderators_please_wake_up_and_start_protecting/b26e
no tools] in LW's interface that would simplify solving similar problems in
the future. Not clear if the attack on user MugaSofer reported in issue 382 was
investigated.
Original comment by robot...@gmail.com
on 3 Jul 2014 at 12:34
Apparently, it's not currently hard for Trike to investigate particular cases,
so posting the quote here for future reference:
http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/kbk/meta_policy_for_dealing_with_users/
"For future reference, it's very easy for Trike to look at who downvoted
someone's account, so if you get questions about downvoting in the future I can
run the same report." -- Jack from Trike aka user jackk on LW
http://lesswrong.com/user/jackk/
Original comment by robot...@gmail.com
on 3 Jul 2014 at 12:43
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
brent.j....@gmail.com
on 27 Nov 2012 at 12:50