Azkaban and Abandoned land claims

[TealNerd]

http://puu.sh/labok/cf10c68a42.jpg

Black is azkaban, teal is abandoned. Preferred colors are black/grey for azkaban and teal for abandoned

[CodingMonkeyXYZ]

Are you really claiming the ocean? If not, could you submit a better quality image that shows claim lines going through obvious land features (I have to match this up to the existing map, which isn't easy with what you've provided). Thanks.

[TealNerd]

For Azkaban, I'm claiming everything within 500 meters of the pole. Actually make that 700. http://puu.sh/laekk/5901f30552.jpg is an updated image. As for the island of Abandoned there's a wall the approximate size of the rectangle on the image. The claims don't have to be exact, just ~700 meters around 0,-15000 and a rectangle about that size around the island

[CodingMonkeyXYZ]

Yeah, I don't do 'rough' land claims, sorry.

Azkaban I can probably do with that image.

If you want to map Abandoned with the mapper of your choice and submit an up to date image of it to this issue, I can then overlay that as a transparency onto the Txapu map and trace around it like I've done for the Chan towns. That way, a little down the line, nobody can argue about where the invisible line in the sand/sea really is. The key thing is I'd need to be able to line up the image of the island with the existing Txapu one to trace - if that makes sense?

...or I can just draw around your island's shores.

[TealNerd]

Just draw around the island I guess, the wall isn't up yet so it doesn't matter that much

[CodingMonkeyXYZ]

Just re-reading the instructions:

"The land claim must not claim water masses, except inner lakes and rivers
 Haven is an exception, no other land claims in that style will be accepted"

Unless you've got a really compelling reason, I don't want to violate this rule. Sure, there are exceptions on the map but they have good reasons (Venice is built on water, for instance).

Of course, you're free to enforce your claims how you wish but in order to keep the map neat and tidy, I believe Gipsy tends to reject these 'sea-grabbing' claims.

What I could do though, is trace around the land masses with your 700m circle as a guide.

[TealNerd]

Here's how I see it, you can build in the water, examples are thule and venice, therefore water is claimable just as much as land. The only reason I've even submitted Azkaban and Abandoned is because people see txapu as a source for definitive claims. A lot of people know that isn't true, but I literally had someone steal a beacon base from Azkaban because "it wasn't claimed on the map". I'd rather avoid any mixups like that happening again.

[CodingMonkeyXYZ]

I think Gipsy would rather avoid the situation where people start grabbing vast swathes of the sea without good reason. I can understand that. Without that policy, the map would become cluttered and hard to read.

Are you an exception to the policy of not allowing water claims to be drawn on the map? Have you got a compelling reason to claim this water on the map? If not, I can't really see how it fits in with the policy.

That's not to say you can't enforce whatever laws you see fit within your claimed area of sea.

I managed to twist Gipsy's arm on Venice, yes. That's mostly because Venice is a 'water-themed' city. I actually built a lot on it and in lots of parts of my sea-claims. I am also considering placing 'marker towers' to further validate my sea claims. I would suggest you do the same actually. For one thing, it would give us a decent marker on which to draw the claims-lines through.

So, to conclude, I'm happy to draw up your land claims now but to get your sea areas claimed too, I think I'm going to need @gipsy-king to give the ok, if he thinks this is a case that merits it. Fair enough?

[TealNerd]

Sounds good. A bit more on the why for gipsy, Azkaban is a secure world border town built around a vault. While it may not be obvious from the surface there is infrastructure around the city including below those portions of the sea. This isn't a case of arbitrarily claiming oceans, but rather wanting to accurately represent my land claims. That is, after all, what the land claims portion of the map is for is it not?

[CodingMonkeyXYZ]

Sure but most people wouldn't build something within say 300m of existing structures. If you were to place markers along the land masses on that circle's perimeter and put a few floating buoys with signs on them saying 'this area beyond claimed by Teal' that'd probably be sufficient protection in terms of making people who visit the area suitably aware that it's off limits. Bonus points for making them snitches. Double bonus points if you add LeopoldStarch to the group.

Nobody with half a brain is going to travel 15km to the end of the world to go build a floating island on your sea in the middle of nowhere. Anyone that does is doing so deliberately to antagonise you and I think you'd be well within your rights to pearl them.

Just my two cents. I'll get around to the land claim shortly.