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Genitive Pronouns in Noun Phrases #2

Open jonathanrobie opened 9 years ago

jonathanrobie commented 9 years ago

There are many noun phrases structured like this:

Example 1:

<wg nodeId="420010080100030" class="np">
    <w morphId="42001008010">τῆς</w>
    <wg nodeId="420010080110020" class="np">
        <w morphId="42001008011">ἐφημερίας</w>
        <w morphId="42001008012">αὐτοῦ</w>
    </wg>
</wg>

I think the article and the noun should bind more tightly than the pronoun. This causes problems when I am querying to find the objects of verbs in order to create verb catalogs. Consider the following example, an object of the verb βρέχω:

Example 2:

<wg nodeId="420070440290030" class="np" role="o">
  <w morphId="42007044029" class="pron" role="np" lemma="ἐγώ" case="genitive" number="singular">μου</w>
  <wg nodeId="420070440300020" class="np" role="np">
    <w morphId="42007044030" class="det" role="det" lemma="ὁ" case="accusative" gender="masculine" number="plural">τοὺς</w>
    <w morphId="42007044031" class="noun" role="np" lemma="πούς" case="accusative" gender="masculine" number="plural">πόδας</w>
  </wg>
</wg>

In a query I wrote that generates a verb catalog, I want to distinguish objects by case. In this case, I want it to be clear that the object of βρέχω is accusative (τοὺς πόδας), not genitive (μου).

jonathanrobie commented 9 years ago

Posted to B-Greek here: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2824

rkjtan commented 9 years ago

Sorry for not posting a public response earlier (though I responded to you privately almost immediately). The query problem, as you know, is solved by using the Head attribute, which will ensure that the accusative object (the head of the object phrase) is selected.

As for whether the article or the pronoun is more tightly bound with the noun, I would like more evidence to be convinced. It seems that the noun can be made specific by being modified by the article (ART NOUN) or the pronoun (NOUN PRON). We can also have ART NOUN PRON or PRON ART NOUN. In the case of PRON ART NOUN, it is clear that the article modifies the noun first & then the pronoun the ART NOUN combination. In the case of ART NOUN PRON, in terms of meaning, seeing the pronoun modifying first means something like this (to use an English example): a friend of mine is more specific than a friend, then the friend of mine is even more specific than a friend of mine.