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B1SE firmware ,B1SE PLUS firmware and B1 SE PLUS IDEX FILE
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Random Thermal runway E1 #13

Closed Ejay-3D closed 2 years ago

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

I'm using a single extrudeur and I'm getting this random message during print . IMG20211224120930 IMG20211224122849

Machine is flashed with this firmware : https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIQU-B1-SE-PLUS/tree/master/B1-SE-PLUS%20firmware/BTT-mode

Can you help ?

Thank you

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Check the tetmistor on the second nozzle

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

I'm using only ONE nozzle which is E0 . Should not be E1 ... E1 doesn't exist on my machine

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Send a response to the M503 and M115 command

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

Look like it's not just my machine ..... There's an issue somewhere. My firmware is the last one posted in this repo Capture d’écran 2021-12-28 à 12 15 10 Capture d’écran 2021-12-28 à 12 14 56 Capture d’écran 2021-12-28 à 12 14 47

radek8 commented 2 years ago

@bigtreetech This looks like a Marlin configuration error on BIQU-B1-SE-PLUS.

@Ejay-3D Compile your own FW. It may take a long time before the BTT fixes it.

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Try connecting a 100Kohm resistor to the connector for Thermistor E1.

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Odešlete odpověď na příkaz M503 a M115

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

Yes I plan to do that compile my own firmware maybe you can help by answering this question . I have a few B1 and I like all the option you can have on the screen ( eg terminal, Auto PID etc .... ) I have the TFT35 sources and Icon, but it seems that now the TFT is updated directly by the motherboard flash . How is done the relationship between marlin option and the icon .... For instance how to add a new icon or menu that will allow to use terminal directly on the machine ? To answer you post " Try connecting a 100Kohm resistor to the connector for Thermistor E1. " That doesn't make sense since the machine is able to print as this and the error happen randomly , ( like i'm now printing for 4 days without error ) I didn't change anything since last error ...

radek8 commented 2 years ago

You have 2 FW in the printer. one is on SKR, it's Marlin. The second is on the display.

The current FW for the display can be found here: https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIGTREETECH-TouchScreenFirmware/tree/master/Copy%20to%20SD%20Card%20root%20directory%20to%20update if you do not speak C, do not edit the icon layout.

You can find the current FW Marlin here: https://marlinfw.org/meta/download/

You can see the configuration for B1 here: https://github.com/bigtreetech/Marlin/tree/B1-2.0.9.2.x

radek8 commented 2 years ago

I simulated a mistake with myself. E1 is the first Extruder. In FW, it is marked as E0 and the error message says E1. Then it's good. There are several ways why you have this mistake.

  1. You have a problem with the thermistor. A damaged thermistor, a damaged lead to it or a connector has poor contact.
  2. The FW Marlin is set to a high sensitivity to heat leakage.
  3. You have a weak heating element and you are printing at a high temperature and the heating element does not have time to heat the nozzle to the required temperature
  4. Incorrectly set PID on the nozzle
Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

1 _You have a problem with the thermistor. A damaged thermistor, a damaged lead to it or a connector has poor contact.Nope brand new .... ( I mounted a hundred of head so I can consider i'm experimented ) 2 The FW Marlin is set to a high sensitivity to heat leakage. Yes probably could be a cause 3 You have a weak heating element and you are printing at a high temperature and the heating element does not have time to heat the nozzle to the required temperature nope printing at 210 .... 4 Incorrectly set PID on the nozzle ... I agree ( that's why i'm looking for adding some option like this in the firmware and screen )

radek8 commented 2 years ago

The print cooling fan could still blow on the nozzle and cool it too much, but that would be more of a weak heater problem. Can you measure the output of the nozzle heater?

If PID tampering is enabled in Marlin, then in Marlin mode it is possible and in touch mode there is an icon for it :-)

radek8 commented 2 years ago

We still run into the problem of precompiled FW. You don't know what values are set, what features are enabled, what HW is supported .... Without Marli's own compilation, this problem will be difficult to solve. I don't understand why BTT can't publish a source from precompiled FW ...

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

This is the source I have request and Biqu shared it here ; https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIQU-B1-SE-PLUS/raw/master/B1-SE-PLUS%20firmware/B1-SE-SKR2(2.6.0).rar

radek8 commented 2 years ago

will you open the file? It tells me that the archive is damaged.

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

Archive is not damaged I have just download it and extract it without prob . Send me your mail I can drop it to you if you like .

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

B1-SE-SKR2(2.6-1.0)-2021-09-24.zip

radek8 commented 2 years ago

WINRAR update helped :-)

radek8 commented 2 years ago

The nozzle thermal protection setting is standard. The bed setting is too loose. The LCD PID tuning menu is off.

The submitted source is old, but it is not a problem to compile a new one and adjust its parameters.

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Do you have a PID tuning menu on the touch screen? if not try it through the terminal. M303 E0 C8 S210

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

I do not have this in the menu , and the printer is not USB connected .. SO I can't run any command for now ...

radek8 commented 2 years ago

The display has a command line terminal.

radek8 commented 2 years ago

The FW you have on the display is not standard. It's a trimmed down version. I would start by updating the display to the current versions.

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

Ok can you share a source or a full compiled version with the TFT icons ?

radek8 commented 2 years ago

I have already sent you the link above

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Here's how. Depending on the HW version, select the correct FW and icons. https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIGTREETECH-TouchScreenFirmware

FW https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIGTREETECH-TouchScreenFirmware/tree/master/Copy%20to%20SD%20Card%20root%20directory%20to%20update

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

B1 SE PLUS TFT doesn't have SD input card so That can't be used .... Or i don't know how ...

radek8 commented 2 years ago

can you take a picture of that screen from behind?

radek8 commented 2 years ago

Did they put such a pathetic display in the printer?

radek8 commented 2 years ago

I thought they put standard TFT displays on offer. Not so crazy. Version B1 was much better.

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

TFT35 SPI image image

radek8 commented 2 years ago

So that's nice shit :-(

radek8 commented 2 years ago

We can't think much of it with this display. So try to tune the PID via USB. And start working on your own Marlin compilation.

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

I agree that's a big fail TFT 35 SPI ... Why ??? @bigtreetech Your force is to be open source ... But you do not release any docs on the hardware ... I DO NOT WANT to plug my printer to my PC ... So please explain how the hardware works , and the user could eventually improve the software ... ( I don't even talk about the SD Wifi module ... what a shame) Releasing so good idea with no real software work after .... I'm disapointed .... So far no one from BTT looked or answered on this issue ...That's not good at all ... For now even if I want to help I can't because lack of doc ...

Ejay-3D commented 2 years ago

Closing This issue, The resolution is that the ribbon cable need to be very well fixed to the gantry, so the connector on the head doesn't move and so no cable could be damaged by the head movement . My brown cable ( thermistor cable) was a bit damaged and so create some random shorts. After reparing the connector and well fix it to the gantry , no more issue .