Increase trading fees to 1.3% (BTC) and 0.65% (BSQ)

MwithM commented 1 year ago

The goal to get 0.8% trading fees from all Bisq trading volume was never reached. BSQ needs to be used more than ever, since burningman won't buy BSQ from traders anymore. Thus, I propose to raise the trading fees to a level that grants that with the current BSQ usage that goal is reached, while incentivizing those who still use BTC to start using BSQ to pay the trading fees. The 50% discount when trading in BSQ is left the same. If 60% of trades are done with BSQ, the revenue from trading fees (in BTC and BSQ together) will be 0.91%. Currently, the use of BSQ represents 66% of the trades. BSQ would need to be used for 80% of the trades to make it go under the 80% goal (0.78%).

	Maker		Taker
	Current	New	Current	New	Total
BTC	0,0010	0,0015	0,0100	0,0115	0,013
BSQ	14,29	25,66	142,94	196,69	222,35

0.013 is the trading fee per 1BTC traded, and it's equivalent to 390USD. 222.35 BSQ is the trading fee per 1BTC traded, and it's equivalent to 195USD (50% discount using BSQ).

If accepted, this proposal will close #409 and the change parameter part on #414

Proposals: BTC maker txid: 6f680717f030ea42a2cdb2f30db689761c547e621f503dcd678756f6a3c5a598 BTC taker txid: e9312ec03f6ef75824ba18a61ebdd51cb8da99533b1aba6c5f0d4f5631aa6a0a BSQ maker txid: cf54b9e8b974148c7a12408556f45d289613f20c23b14cc024ba4978b4819da3 BSQ taker txid: ea84437015ed7e1e6586e9f6725f3170bd980c45a24620b55c5716bba1c4397a

See spreadsheet for details.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

Proposals submitted with today's prices.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

Trading fees updated as all proposals were accepted. Software filters updated. Wiki updated.

Proposal must remain open to communicate whether updating the trading fee is necessary or not.

apemithrandir commented 1 year ago

Increasing the trading fees right before a huge bump in bitcoin on chain fees. I think this will lead to Robosats adoption and a decline in overall Bisq fee revenue and is not well thought out.

Also if the goal is to get more people to use BSQ then we should try to understand better why people don't use BSQ.

I could imagine a good deal of Bisq users do not use BSQ due to ideological reasons (bitcoin maxis) and would fee hiking fees on people who refuse to use BSQ as showing that they are less welcome on the platform.

Conza88 commented 1 year ago

Increasing the trading fees right before a huge bump in bitcoin on chain fees. I think this will lead to Robosats adoption and a decline in overall Bisq fee revenue and is not well thought out.

Also if the goal is to get more people to use BSQ then we should try to understand better why people don't use BSQ.

I could imagine a good deal of Bisq users do not use BSQ due to ideological reasons (bitcoin maxis) and would fee hiking fees on people who refuse to use BSQ as showing that they are less welcome on the platform.

As a Bitcoin maxi, coloured bitcoin is fine.

The only time it's ok to sell bitcoin, with it's not spend and replace, is with its so you can buy more bitcoin with cheaper fees. 😉

I've clearly indicated years ago+ why/how BSQ adoption could be improved. Some steps certainly in the right direction over that time.

Actually calling it out more prominently a possible option.

pazza83 commented 1 year ago

Increasing the trading fees right before a huge bump in bitcoin on chain fees. I think this will lead to Robosats adoption and a decline in overall Bisq fee revenue and is not well thought out.

I think it will be the high miner fees rather than the fees that make users of small trades look elsewhere. There have been significantly less trades on Bisq this cycle due to the high fees.

April = 184 trades per day May = 134 trades per day (to date)

Also if the goal is to get more people to use BSQ then we should try to understand better why people don't use BSQ.

Quite a high percentage of traders are using Bisq, about 70% of trade fees are paid in Bisq. Would be good to increase it further but it is not a low percentage.

pazza83 commented 1 year ago

I've clearly indicated years ago+ why/how BSQ adoption could be improved. Some steps certainly in the right direction over that time.

Can you point to a link again.

Would be good to know what has been actioned and what still needs to be actioned.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

_This proposal keeps a record of the process to keep the BSQ trading fee at the target discount to BTC trading fee. It will remain open until we need to update BSQ trading fees again._

Last update was #409

Cycle 47

Parameters (see issue)

USD/BTC price: 27.200
USD/BSQ price: 0.82
Current BSQ discount: 48.4%

It's not necessary to update BSQ trading fee as current discount is between the 40-60% target.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

_This proposal keeps a record of the process to keep the BSQ trading fee at the target discount to BTC trading fee. It will remain open until we need to update BSQ trading fees again._

Last update was #409

Cycle 48

Parameters (see issue)

USD/BTC price: 26.500
USD/BSQ price: 0.77
Current BSQ discount: 50.3%

It's not necessary to update BSQ trading fee as current discount is between the 40-60% target.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

_This proposal keeps a record of the process to keep the BSQ trading fee at the target discount to BTC trading fee. It will remain open until we need to update BSQ trading fees again._

Last update was #409

Cycle 49

Parameters (see issue)

USD/BTC price: 29.800
USD/BSQ price: 0.83
Current BSQ discount: 52.4%

It's not necessary to update BSQ trading fee as current discount is between the 40-60% target.

pazza83 commented 1 year ago

Hi @MwithM

FYI, the trade fee filter has been turned back on with the updated fee filter PR: https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/pull/6670

This means that the filter will need updating with the BSQ rates should the values change at any point.

Thanks

MwithM commented 1 year ago

_This proposal keeps a record of the process to keep the BSQ trading fee at the target discount to BTC trading fee. It will remain open until we need to update BSQ trading fees again._

Last update was #409

Cycle 50

Parameters (see issue)

USD/BTC price: 26.000
USD/BSQ price: 0.79
Current BSQ discount: 48%

It's not necessary to update BSQ trading fee as current discount is between the 40-60% target.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

_This proposal keeps a record of the process to keep the BSQ trading fee at the target discount to BTC trading fee. It will remain open until we need to update BSQ trading fees again._

Last update was #409

Cycle 51

Parameters (see issue)

USD/BTC price: 27.000
USD/BSQ price: 0.79
Current BSQ discount: 50%

It's not necessary to update BSQ trading fee as current discount is between the 40-60% target.

MwithM commented 1 year ago

Closed as an update was required.

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