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JLPT vocabulary and kanji items #60

Open Boubard opened 3 years ago

Boubard commented 3 years ago

Hi,

In which extent does the kanji and vocabulary items refer to JLPT (Japanese Language Proficiency Test)? I couldn't find how it has been stated.

I first was surprised by the word 日ソ, which means Japan-Soviet, being in the JLPT N5 (real beginner, basic words - my case) list.

But I started to really wonder today studiously learning "burasagaru" which is, accordingly to Miageru website , a rarely used verb of JLPT N1 (High level japanese speaker) level.

So, I thought that, maybe, the JLPT N5 80 items simple kanji list, which seems credible, was used to automatically create a 465 items vocabulary JLPT N5 list, ony made of the former one Kanjis (plus hiragana), regardless of the actual level of the final words.

As a conclusion, I think a clarification may be useful for final users to explain how those lists are made, or why they are difficult to determine or to create.

blastrock commented 3 years ago

Hi!

So, I thought that, maybe, the JLPT N5 80 items simple kanji list, which seems credible, was used to automatically create a 465 items vocabulary JLPT N5 list, ony made of the former one Kanjis (plus hiragana), regardless of the actual level of the final words.

That's exactly how I made them. I couldn't find a JLPT vocabulary list, and I don't know how Miageru made its list.

I'd really like to make the vocab list smaller, there are a lot of useless words there. If you know of some open word list that could help, please tell me.

As a conclusion, I think a clarification may be useful for final users to explain how those lists are made, or why they are difficult to determine or to create.

Since there is no documentation, and I'm not planning on writing an maintaining one at the moment, I can't really find a good place to explain that...

Boubard commented 3 years ago

I'm grateful for your reply.

About a little explanation adressed to users, I was more suggesting a couple of words in the "About" section (where I did check for example) rather than writing a full documentation from scratch.

About an open-source vocabulary list, check jisho.org project , here N5 list selected. It's in english. Yes, there are even more items than Kakugo's.

Official JLPT lists don't exist, as far as I looked for.

blastrock commented 3 years ago

I never noticed that jisho.org had jlpt levels on words! Thank you for pointing it out to me.

They take that information from https://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/, which is released under Creative Common, so I can use it too. The classification will be updated in the next version of Kakugo :)

Boubard commented 3 years ago

Hurray!

Nonetheless I suppose this is a lot of work. How did you deal with translations so far?

blastrock commented 3 years ago

If you're talking about translations of the vocabulary, they all come from kanjidic and JMdict. As for the translations of Kakugo itself, I take care of English and French. Spanish is currently maintained by @WhoRegisteredAllTheGoodUsernames.

Boubard commented 3 years ago

I didn't notice JMdict was exactly a multi-lingual dictionnary (including french) so it was a stupid question. Thank you for this program.