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Anonymous peer-to-peer instant messaging
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A warrant canary is also a good idea for your website. #144

Open LeDechaine opened 2 years ago

LeDechaine commented 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary

Example: https://silence.im/warrant/

ASmith- commented 2 years ago

I agree. These are dangerous times and the Tor Project team has been very active plugging and patching the Onion Network against all manner of State Sponsored attacks on the volunteer anonymous servers, the network itself and also the users with a wide variety of attack vectors. Perhaps some can use these images.

Coal_Mine_Canary_dead

Coal_Mine_Canary-w-mask

elandorr commented 1 year ago

Warrant canaries are a marketing gimmick.

The US have no problem torturing their own citizens, they've proven that over and over to a point where even the government-subservient "wikipedia" has a list of "torture crimes the US committed".

People like to think the EU has no "gag orders", but that's wrong. They have tons of very open-ended laws that are made to be abused. Many EU states have violently proven their own interpretation of "human rights" means nothing in the last few years. They also do not shy away from torture and indefinite imprisonment until you comply. I've personally witnessed many cases where the tyrants simply declared "grave circumstances" and all notions of human rights evaporated instantly.

Rest of the world? Not even up for debate.

Let's be honest: How many people will give up their life, endure pain and suffering, for this? How many would be willing to give up something silly like their money, even?

Especially for a western population, governments usually don't require force. They send you an evil looking letter, and you comply out of fear of losing your modern complacency.

They will make you update that canary, if they want to.

Even in the "hardcore privacy world" I can only think of maybe 2 examples where the leader actually stepped up. But that was all still pre-torture/imprisonment, they simply chose to shut down their business entirely and leave peacefully. Which is honorable and rare, because in the 21st century, money is God. Never heard of a single one that went all the way. And, if the tyrants do it right, of course we'll never know, because they "disappear" someone and their replacement is good enough for us not to notice.

Even the wikipedia link you posted has a few quotes about canaries' uselessness under "usage": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary#Usage

Personally, I tell our users how bad the modern world is in advance, and how they should triple-check wherever possible, ideally in person. Of course, this is near impossible in tech, even with simple projects like rico. At least it's honest and doesn't give them a false sense of security.

tl;dr big marketing joke