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Improve @opt-projects #1937

Open retabak opened 6 months ago

retabak commented 6 months ago

Notes from Joy:

Things to consider (from RT):

retabak commented 2 months ago

@flannery-denny - just saw that @schanzer assigned you to this also. I asked him what that was about, and he said you might want to do "more creative stuff, and less quality control." I personally am feeling a little burnt out on projects! These ones are all pretty tricky, too.

Would you be interested in taking the lead on these projects? I just talked to @joystraub and received all of the materials she used with kids when she taught these projects. I'm happy to share her stuff with you.

Regardless of who does this work, we should prioiritize Snack Habits and Stress/Chill, which Joy recommends to teachers, still. She no longer recommends Time Use or Olympics.

flannery-denny commented 2 months ago

@Rachel Tabak @.***> Sure. But I can't discuss until next week.

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@flannery-denny https://github.com/flannery-denny - just saw that @schanzer https://github.com/schanzer assigned you to this also. I asked him what that was about, and he said you might want to do "more creative stuff, and less quality control." I personally am feeling a little burnt out on projects! These ones are all pretty tricky, too.

Would you be interested in taking the lead on these projects? I just talked to @joystraub https://github.com/joystraub and received all of the materials she used with kids when she taught these projects. I'm happy to share her stuff with you.

Regardless of who does this work, we should prioiritize Snack Habits and Stress/Chill, which Joy recommends to teachers, still. She no longer recommends Time Use or Olympics.

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retabak commented 2 months ago

works for me! LMK when you want to talk.

flannery-denny commented 2 months ago

Shriram's thoughts on using world record times instead of olympic data, which he sees Tara being confronted with in her precalc class

But doing something similar with, say, world record times would be good. These have the advantage of being guaranteed to monotonically decrease (or increase, for heights/lengths).

[&] The monotonicity is of course not at all essential, but the lack of it, and the small number of data points (10), means you're going to get very noisy fits. (Tara looked at women's 100 meters and none of the three models was a good fit.)

[*] Think about all the reasons why these are not monotonic.

schanzer commented 2 months ago

Ooooh, the world-record thing would dramatically clean up the fit. Very cool. Thanks for tracking, @flannery-denny

flannery-denny commented 2 weeks ago

To discuss with @joystraub re: Snack Habits Project - probably best to schedule a phone call.

@schanzer I could use your help making Joy a sandbox for the Project-Snack-Habits lesson on the opt-projects branch so she can see where it's at before we meet... or... perhaps y'all are ready to check out to the branch together and she could build it locally on her machine?! Can't wait!

joystraub commented 2 weeks ago

@flannery-denny _I've attempted to take the materials we have and reformat them like a Bootstrap lesson. I can tell that there's still important information in your head that is missing :) And I look forward to hearing what it is. Yes - Let's schedule a phone call - I am available after 11am Mon/Wed and after noon Tues. Here are some answers prior to that conversation. I'd love to offer teachers some examples of the kinds of research questions your students investigated. I found some that I had saved: Did the rate of unhealthy snack habits increase after the pandemic compared to during or before in the United States? Do Certain States Eat Healthier than Others? Do Adult Snacking Behaviors Differ from Teenager Snacking Behaviors? Do Teens Tend to Eat More Unhealthy Snacks During the Week or on the Weekends? Is There a Correlation Between Healthiness of a Snack and Price? Does the Time of Day We Eat Impact the Healthy Level of the Snack? I'm seeing a reference to "Your Snack Habits Data Collection Worksheet" in the project description but am not seeing the file in the folder. I shared the Google Form with you - it was not really a worksheet but a form - they had the chart on the instruction sheet, so they could record information if they were away from a computer to enter it later Curious how you knew that students had filled in the google form each day? At the beginning of class each day I pulled up our class dataset. They had to enter data daily - I had checked to see if there was at least one entry from each student before class started. We used initials to make it easier. No one had trouble with that - but I recommend to teachers that they assign the students a code that only that student and the teacher know. I gave them time at the beginning of class to make sure their records were up to date, if need be. We cleaned the dataset together - if there were dirty data issues. Considering cutting out the part of this project in which students analyzed their personal eating habits and focusing on the class as a whole because -- it's much less vulnerable (for people with eating disorders or other body confidence issues) and I have a hard time trusting that all teachers using the materials will have capacity to do the work to make reflecting on personal eating feel safe for their students. I get this - they are just comparing their snacks, though - not their entire eating habits. This is why I changed it from all food to just snacks. There are very fit students who eat very little snacks, too. So - it was OK for them to not have snacks. I had them put in if they had sodas or Gatorade, etc. Anything outside of the normal meal time. If they did not eat anything they would share that and it would be OK. -- it's less work for teachers to have all information from the google forms automatically populate the class dataset Not sure I understand this comment - as they all populate a class dataset??? Students get their own information by filtering on the ID column -- it means that everyone has enough data to engage with the project during class even if they didn't do a good job of contributing data to the set, and it's hard to trust that The bulk of the project is really their research question which involves looking at teens in the US. They just look at their habits and our class habits to see how we sit compared to what they find out about the US in general. That is a small piece of the project - but it is the "into" - the piece to get them hooked. Looking at their personal data gets them engaged and interested.

flannery-denny commented 2 weeks ago

@joystraub

  1. Any luck coming up with some student work I can include in the Snack Projects lesson plan?
  2. I’m wrestling a little with the image column of the snack habits project. If they only submit images for some of the columns, pyret won’t be able to work with the spreadsheet. What did you actually DO with the images other than identify their datatype?
joystraub commented 2 weeks ago

@Flannery Denny [she - ella - elle - sie] @.***>

  1. I was looking into Stress and missed that I was to look at Snack also - was it just displays? Here are some displays you can select from: [image: image.png]

bar-chart(snack-table, "group") (Student built a column to group the snack types)

pie-chart(snack-table, "healthy-level")

pie-chart(snack-table, "salty-sweet")

[image: image.png] [image: image.png] This was from using a filter to get the student's own snacks. 2) I ended up not using the images in the Pyret file, because collecting an image per entry was daunting, so we just collected it to discuss the Image data type - and to have it available if someone wanted to do something with the images in their presentation. I used the 2nd tab in the spreadsheet as my data tab for Pyret - in that tab, I deleted the timestamp column and the photo column.

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  1. Any luck coming up with some student work I can include in the Snack Projects lesson plan?
  2. I’m wrestling a little with the image column of the snack habits project. If they only submit images for some of the columns, pyret won’t be able to work with the spreadsheet. What did you actually DO with the images other than identify their datatype?

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joystraub commented 2 weeks ago

Here are some student work displays from the Stress Project:

[image: image.png]

[image: image.png] [image: image.png] to compare school stress to home stress [image: image.png]

[image: image.png] Box Plot of class stress level across project

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 11:50 AM flannery-denny @.***> wrote:

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  1. Any luck coming up with some student work I can include in the Snack Projects lesson plan?
  2. I’m wrestling a little with the image column of the snack habits project. If they only submit images for some of the columns, pyret won’t be able to work with the spreadsheet. What did you actually DO with the images other than identify their datatype?

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joystraub commented 2 weeks ago

@flannery-denny It looks like none of the images I pasted into the email response showed up here. I am going to have to re-send them it seems. Unless - can you get them from the email??

flannery-denny commented 1 week ago

@joystraub You're right - they didn't come through. Please just email them to me directly and I can add them to the issue.