borg stickers? - Githubissues

ThomasWaldmann commented 7 years ago

Green on black (similar to logo on docs site), for laptops. Is that interesting?

If you'ld want one "heart" this post.

ThomasWaldmann commented 7 years ago

2018 recommendations:

Found 2016:

ThomasWaldmann commented 6 years ago

If someone wants to help: we need a data file to upload to wir-machen-druck.de, see there for the requirements (german):

https://www.wir-machen-druck.de/faq-qualitaetskontrolle.html

Maybe these green neon stickers would be a nice base material?

Logo same font / close colour like there: https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/

Text:

Borg (Logo) + "www.borgbackup.org" below it
optionally "You will be assimilated!"?

If someone has time to work on this, help would be appreciate! But please tell before you start to avoid double work.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

Hi there,

any new info about the stickers? I'm a newbie borg user, but very happy with it! :) I just downloaded the logo.svg, which will have the perfect quality for this purpose. Could you please tell me the font, so I can create the subtext accordingly?

It would be great to simply design the sticker and let everyone order them individually. In my first quick search I was not able to find a service who offers this. Another approach could be: provide the ready-to-print-data here or better on the website for everyone to use.

EDIT: When trying to fit the logo to a round sticker, I came across this issue: #3049. Sure, we can use a rectangle.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

No news.

Font: would have to start searching for it (issue tracker, mailing list, irc logs).

Rectangular sounds good. It's a borg cube, so round seems strange. :-)

About individual orders: guess that is rather a good idea for more expensive stuff, like hoodies/shirts. Stickers are relatively cheap and manufacturers / dealers usually don't want to deal with small orders, like for a few stickers. So I think the way to go is to use some organization funds and produce a medium amount of stickers and spread them at conferences and hacker spaces. If anyone could order such amounts, that still would be good for wide / international distribution, though.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

Found the font here: It's Black Ops One. The color is: #00DD00 (0,221,0).

True: Borg = cube ~ reactangle. ;) Here's my first try: overview_a What do you and all the others think? Maybe we got someone with decent graphics skills here. :)

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

They somehow look too narrow, like horizontally condensed, compared to there:

https://www.borgbackup.org/ (see top border)

When thinking about the goal of such stickers (make borg more known, I mean borgbackup, not the guys from startrek) and assuming that the main target audience is people not knowing borgbackup yet, I think we need to include www.borgbackup.org somehow or else it will be seen as startrek borg advertisement.

Not sure about the best font for "you will be assimilated!", we need some font nerd here! :)

Letters A... to identify some specific sticker: good idea, but maybe use green and a smaller / less bold font for that or it will impact the overall impression.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

horizontally condensed:

True, I didn't notice that. I used the logo.svg first instead of creating "Borg" from the font.

www.borgbackup.org:

Added. Now I think it's too much. Maybe we should only use either "www.." or "You will .." as you can see in the second sample:

A

borglogo_assi_BlackOpsOneB_Black_02

B

borglogo_www_BlackOpsOneB_Black_01

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Yeah, agreed, the upper one is a bit much.

Can you try using the lower one and the putting the "You will be assimilated!" in a small font (size as the "www...." part?) as a single line below everything?

Or rather adjust that phrase's font size so it matches the width of the upper part.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

I don't like it that much:

C

borglogo_www_assi_BlackOpsOneB_Black_01 No. 2 of the post above is my fav at the moment.

But maybe we should ask a real designer. ;)

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Not sure if we have any "real designer" here (if so, tell us!). But we can ask the community for feedback...

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Heart this if you like A.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Heart this if you like B.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Heart this if you like C.

Perflyst commented 5 years ago

C.. because if you do not want the text below the logo you can just cut it off yourself. If you cut it off you have basically B

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@klawdhfzasjhaa can you attach the original documents (svg?) for B) and C), please?

We also need a good / easy manufacturer for these stickers, does anybody have recommendations?

Coolest would be if we could upload a design and people could order them internationally in small to medium quantities for cheap. :-)

Soon is GPN 2019 ("Gulasch Programmier Nacht") and EuroPython 2019, could distribute some there. :-)

frommMoritz commented 5 years ago

We also need a good / easy manufacturer for these stickers, does anybody have recommendations?

Someone gave me stickers recently, ordered on Flyeralarm.Tthose seem to have a decent quality. Depending on your budget you can get a good a mount of stickers for your money.

Soon is GPN 2019 ("Gulasch Programmier Nacht") and EuroPython 2019, could distribute some there. :-)

I'm not at those events but would be happy with some stickers. Would it be possible to "just" send you a stamped return envelope in order to get some?

mlbarrow commented 5 years ago

I have used StickerMule (mentioned earlier in this ticket) here in the US and love their stuff. The Perl Weekly newsletter has a discount through StickerYou, so there's another source.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

Hey there. I've created them with GIMP, which does not natively support SVG export. You can easily transform it to JPG, EPS and so on if needed. Also, if the shop has black stickers, we can delete the black background from the files. When we think of black laptop lids it makes sense to have a transparent sticker foil with the green letters on it.

stickers.zip

Coolest would be if we could upload a design and people could order them internationally in small to medium quantities for cheap. :-)

That was my intention with this:

It would be great to simply design the sticker and let everyone order them individually.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

flyeralarm.com:

product: https://www.flyeralarm.com/uk/shop/configurator/index/id/5803/removable-stickers.html
format: 7.4 x 10.5cm, A7 (landscape)
requirements: see data sheet there on the product page
more requirements: https://www.flyeralarm.com/uk/content/index/open/id/1569/artwork-requirements.html
looks like ordering some thousand stickers is doable
but we should be pretty sure about the uploaded file before producing such an amount and I must admit that I do not fully understand all these requirements / their relevance to us.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

stickermule.com:

seems quite a bit more expensive, so we would be limited to a few hundreds
but users could get e.g. 10 stickers for 20 bucks and intl. shipping
free help with artwork
3" x 2"
wants vector or 300 dpi raster
free intl shipping (to some countries depending on order amount)

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

wir-machen-druck.de:

german-only website?
https://www.wir-machen-druck.de/neonaufkleber-10-einfarbig-schwarz-bedruckt-mit-freier-groesse-rechteckig.html
if that neon-green material should be the sticker text, we would need to print black everywhere except where it should be green? guess we can't do that with a vector / font, just with raster?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

If someone has a clue about print, help me decide about the service / product.

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

Maybe someone can take a USB drive with the RAW data and go to a local store to clarify / check the requirements. I guess the output is better this way than having a bunch of rookies (us ;) ) trying to create a good sticker online by ourselves. Does someone here live in a bigger city like Berlin oder Stuttgart?

marcpope commented 5 years ago

I have 20+ years of print, pre-press an design experience. Glad to help. If you give me the place you want them made, I will give you the correct file format.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope thanks a lot for offering help!

I just had a look again and I think we go for flyeralarm.com, see https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/1902#issuecomment-476864174.

Also, I checked with existing stickers on my laptop: A8 is too small, so guess we should go for A7.

Image: The "C" version. I like the "if you don't like the assimilation phrase, you can cut it off" approach - maybe there should be a few mm more distance between logo and that phrase to ease that?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@frommMoritz sure, sending a stamped return envelope would work.

The outdoor type stickers, do you think they are preferable to the removable type? I think most people will stick it on laptops, maybe PCs / servers.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

5 weeks left until GPN 2019, see #4510 - can we manage to have stickers ready for that?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

related: #4527 - if somebody wants more stickers to be spread, increase the bounty there. :-)

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope only little time left until GPN 2019 conference, did you already start working on the files (see above)?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

ping @marcpope

dragetd commented 5 years ago

wir-machen-druck has rather poor quality. Yes, they are cheap and the printing quality itself is OK, but not the stickers. The colors flake off and the stickers look really poor. :(

I'd happily add some funds for the merge if I get a few hundred stickers to spread (e.g. on the camp - just got my ticket \o/)

Someone recommended stickermule to me - but they are rather expensive. :(

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@dragetd thanks for the info.

@marcpope are you still alive?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

OK, guess @marcpope does not have time to spend currently.

Who else can make the files needed?

bebehei commented 5 years ago

As my dad's profession is in the publishing industry, I know some graphic designers. I'm regularly servicing the system from one of those. I may ask her for support. She's working right in center of Stuttgart also she has got plenty of experience with flyeralarm.

AFAIK, flyeralarm has got some weird document requirements, but I guess she's familiar with it.

I haven't read the full thread yet. Which documents shall I use to approach her?

marcpope commented 5 years ago

For some reason I wasn't getting notifications. I can definitely work on it. Does anyone know what font the borg type is? The files that were attached here I can't open in any Adobe Products.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope font see there: https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/1902#issuecomment-465766222

@bebehei thanks for the offer. guess it's enough if 1 person is working on it, so let's give @marcpope a chance.

https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/1902#issuecomment-473451280 see that comment and the design C above.

marcpope commented 5 years ago

So we are going with this design right?

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

Basically yes.

Maybe check if there is enough space to cut away the "You will be assimilated" and still have enough lower border left (and if not, leave a bit more space in between that phrase and the stuff above it).

klawdhfzasjhaa commented 5 years ago

@marcpope Don't know, if it's too late..But attached you'll find eps and psd files for whatever fancy Adobe program you use. ;)

stickers.zip

marcpope commented 5 years ago

Thanks Neo.

That makes it easier. One thing to note. The bright green color won’t be bright green in these stickers. They only use CMYK. to make green, we mix Yellow and Cyan together which gives a much duller green. The right way to go about it would be to use a 2-color print sticker where we could pick a nice bright green. It does not seem like this company does special color stickers though. Please let me know if the CMYK (100yellow and 100cyan) is ok or should we shoot for a different printer?

-Marc

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ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope interesting hint (good to have somebody who is experienced with such stuff, thanks!).

I'ld like to stay with flyeralarm (good price and decent quality AFAIK), so guess we need to match some borg-ish green as good as possible with CMYK.

As I had no clue, I just searched a bit on the web and found that:

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-get-bright-colors-in-CMYK

There in the comments is the hint that:

Whether you get bright colors or dark colors simply depends on which
colors you mix. CMYK 61, 0, 100, 0 for example would be a bright green.

The author of the original post rather tends to fully saturated colours (100), but mixing a fully saturated yellow with a bit less saturated cyan seems to make sense to me.

But, I don't have any experience with that nor do I have a calibrated monitor (or printer) to check it.

marcpope commented 5 years ago

That’s probably decent. I will use a 4 color black so that it’s as much contrast as possible.

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@marcpope interesting hint (good to have somebody who is experienced with such stuff, thanks!).

I'ld like to stay with flyeralarm (good price and decent quality AFAIK), so guess we need to match some borg-ish green as good as possible with CMYK.

As I had no clue, I just searched a bit on the web and found that:

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-get-bright-colors-in-CMYK

There in the comments is the hint that:

Whether you get bright colors or dark colors simply depends on which colors you mix. CMYK 61, 0, 100, 0 for example would be a bright green. The author of the original post rather tends to fully saturated colours (100), but mixing a fully saturated yellow with a bit less saturated cyan seems to make sense to me.

But, I don't have any experience with that nor do I have a calibrated monitor to check it.

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elho commented 5 years ago

Just stumbled across this issue...

flyeralarm.com: stickermule.com:

At work, we have had various stickers (e.g. Elephant Shed and pg_snakeoil ones) made and tested both of these print services, the stickermule ones, while indeed more expensive, are higher quality material, so we did stick (pun not intented, at least at first... :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:) with those.

ultrabug commented 5 years ago

As discussed with @ThomasWaldmann during EuroPython 2019, I'd like to send a friendly ping to @Tobaloidee here!

@Tobaloidee : if you can spare the time, I'm sure this project could benefit from your talents.

Please be mindful of copyrights related to the Borg Star Trek logo, the one for this project should be very different so that there's nothing to blame (which adds to the challenge) :+1:

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope any news?

Tobaloidee commented 5 years ago

hey @ultrabug will try to work on this and post here when done. :)

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@ultrabug @Tobaloidee please continue in the new ticket #4690, this ticket here is about making stickers.

ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@bebehei can you please work (potentially in parallel to @marcpope) and we'll just use the stuff from whoever finishes first?

Would be nice if we had some stickers before the planet melts down. :-)

marcpope commented 5 years ago

I am unable, wife having complications from pregnancy and were at the hospital.. sorry!

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ThomasWaldmann commented 5 years ago

@marcpope wish you three the best!

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